Re: Tirade

Paul, I'm new to www.PipingDesign, but I've been in the discipline 1 yr, 25 times. I've been in Cad off and on for 20 yrs, starting with antiquated Autotrol in 1979, IBM Cadam in the early 80's and the last 8 or 9 on Autocad, with a learn on my own Rebis package for about 2 mos. I would kill to go back on the board again. I'm leaving Uncle Al (Alcoa) the end of May and moving to WYO, but will probably have to work in Denver area, if I can find work.

    Everything I can do on Cad, I can do just as fast on the board, and I can make a better looking(functional) drawing. Cad has taken the individuality out of piping drawings, and hasn't added one advantage to getting the project done, if you've got good fitters that know how to read a drawing. I can still make 20 spools a day, and when the fitters are done, they can throw those drawings away. The pipe will go in as drawn.

    I'm an old hand, and miss the old days. The only thing Cad has as an advantage with is drawing storage space. (and sometimes editing, but that depends on who made the original drawing).

    I know a few who feel the same way, but feel they have to learn Cad, like me. Do you know that engineers coming out of college aren't even required to take drafting anymore. They don't know what they want until they see it on paper, then they send it to the sales reps.

    Yes, I'm old style, but today at work, the humidity was perfect, and the lead would have made a great looking drawing. <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=7Rerlb_84FfkCOE71goW-PkHo429FUeTY64y67HecXTtMAzKQL1DZ3ppkzMMJ_YecVdCNia4PYg18A">piper1701@home.com</a>

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From: "Paul Bowers" <pbowers@pipingdesign.com> To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: [PipingDesign] Tirade

> Is anyone else fed up with CAD as used for piping design?
>
> Back in the old fart days, a draftsman/designer had all the skills
> s/he needed, and was able to move from job to job. Now, the
> discipline is fragmented into little slices of Rebis/PDS/PDMS.
> Whatever happened to piping design as a discipline, anyway?
>
> I don't want to start a major argument, but sometimes I'd rather
> go back to the board.
>
> I feel like pitching a competition between a bunch of CAD guys vs.
> experienced old-timers. All things being equal, I think I know
> who'd win.
>
> Of course, criteria would have to be set first, taking into
> account the advantages and disadvantaged of each team. Any takers?
> (think R&D tax credit status)
>
>
> Paul, using my bully pulpit
>
>
>
>
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Received on Mon Apr 30 22:08:00 2001