RE: RE: TIRADE

Hello Group

Before I begin I would like to explain my background so you can understand where I'm coming from.
I am a young mechanical engineer (approx. 2 years since graduation and employment) living in a completely different region of the planet where engineering practice and the relevant regulations on it are not so well developed. I try to compensate by reading books, technical journals, and the like, and by surfing the net and joining discussion lists (lurking for the most part) to try to find out how people do things in other places. That being said, I hope you forgive me if I ask questions that are obvious to you. First, I have been following this thread for some time now, and have had some trouble understanding the logic in some instances. Why, for example, should we blame CAD if inexperienced youngsters (like me?) are assigned responsibilites that they are not ready for. Would the problem be solved if we trained them to use drawing boards instead? Or maybe the problem would be solved when these CAD operators become old with "grey beards". Then they can complain about how these youngsters using VRAD, or whatever they come up with by then, are so incompetent in piping design, and how they can do anything just as good with AutoCAD 2034. By the same token, I don't see how "anyone can get a".. drawing board.. "to go out to the field, with a hard hat and metatarsal boots, and take dimensions, weld to weld, and can figure out centerlines from a sketch", so why should we expect a PC to do so?

I think the wrong thin is being blamed here. Maybe the seniors shoud have realized the potential in CADD and been quicker in learning and adopting it. (Now I know that if I someday regard myself as senior and am faced with a new technology, I'd better be humble enough to sit and learn it with the youngsters.) Maybe management should have been wiser by investing more in training these youngsters and giving them more exposure time before assigning responsibility. Maybe you guys would do good by spending your years before retirement on that, instead of complaining. (Or maybe there's consulting potential for you in that after retiring ;-))

Regards,

Sharaf F. Al-Sharif
Desalination Process Engineer
Bushnak Group
PO Box 13744
Jeddah 21414
Saudi Arabia
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darrel Marshall [mailto:piper82072@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:18 AM
> To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=FYotQZsGZYGv0TM675ZlpOBZffA7iSQX5vdPDuDhm_GNqI1neQq5dyTJuPTEZMbmY4AtkdLePkclJVSn1t7AgKIp8-Qm1kk">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] RE: TIRADE
>
> Thanks Paul for bringing this Cad subject up a
> couple a weeks ago. I was one of the first to reply,
> and have been following it daily. I still believe that
> grey beards are going to take the piping discipline
> and retire with the knowledge, and a few years from
> now the good pipe fitters are going to up and quit.
> The Cad "drafters" coming out of school have no
> knowledge of how to make a functional readable
> drawing, and the companies hiring them for $8/hr. are
> going to have a big mess in the years to come.
> I have learned Autocad and Raster and Imaging
> because I had to. I'm self taught to use a new tool.
> So be it. But, until anyone can get a PC to go out to
> the field, with a hard hat and metatarsal boots, and
> take dimensions, weld to weld, and can figure out
> centerlines from a sketch, I will always believe in my
> experience. And, I will pass on that knowledge to
> anybody who wants to learn. A computer will mate a
> 125# cast iron pump flange to a 150# steel R.F.W.N.,
> but I won't.
> Pipers rule. Don't tell anyone how easy it is, or
> else everyone will want to do it.
>
> Darrel
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Received on Mon May 14 10:21:00 2001