will it make it better if it was design using a slide rule and t-square? the cnn and bbc report inidcated that there are lapses in the procedural compliance, inpsection and work control and management at Petrobas. Same thing happens in the Piper Alpha based on the video ive seen during one of our monthly safety meeting. In the same token, The Chevron Philips Chem Company has also taken a bad hit in their St. James Plant this year. Most of these incident happens not because they are design bad but rather they were operated bad.
if you're in the piping industry, the incident cited are almost always part of the safety orientation - use it and learn from the mistakes of others.
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From: geoff.stone@lendlease.com.au [mailto:geoff.stone@lendlease.com.au]
Sent: 27 May, 2001 1:45 AM
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] P&ID
Tell that to the dudes at Petrobas with their prized rig that keeled over
like a
dead warthog.
"SARE, RALPH H." <SARERH@YANPET.SABIC.com> on 26/05/2001 15:22:59
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im one of the old guys. been invoved with piping since '76 when all you got is the slide rule, a tsquare, trinagle and scale and measuring tape. in a year or 2 i plan to do jsut that. the acronyms is not important it is the experience - fabircation, design, erection, testing, commissioning, welding, modification, repair.
it is now different paul. palnt are no longer being built the old fashioned way anymore. its built better, quicker and more reliable now.
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From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
Sent: 26 May, 2001 8:03 AM
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] P&ID
SARE makes a good point again.
I guess all we "old school guys" should just go out to pasture, since now the most important thing seems to be the understanding of acronyms.
One has to wonder how refineries were once built in the old days, though.
Paul
> not according to 29 CFR 1910. the rules has changed so much now.
not only
> must you be conversant with section 111 and xi,or with B31.1
/B31.3 or be
> familiar with microstation, AISC, FEA and caesar II but you have
to
> integrate all the info using the PDS and EDMS and be able to
migrate it
> seamlessly with SAP. After ISO 9001 and the PSM, now comes iso
14000 which
> will impact the way we specify valves. No im not trying to
impress u guys
> but the realty of the business in piping has leap in bounds. Its
not as
> simple as routing a line anymore.
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