RE: Piping Erection

From: <Mark>
Date: Tue Jun 12 2001 - 11:03:00 EDT

I agree to specify FFW's at the design stage gets everyone thinking on the same page,
expecially close to boilers, pumps, etc to avoid some fitter bolting up a flange
and causing alignment problems.

Are fabrication shops producing pipe spools are thing of the past?

Mark

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From: Gerardo Delgado [mailto:gdelgado@tecnoconsult.com] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:01 PM
To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=I19wSWD5E3r4izIMUstPgWWv79U9NzVV4zk6XtrfCrrAH46z64RTZLqZvENUJbSPBLHgBMZ3RMY02oN-dWJHRGND">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Piping Erection

I totally agree. It is not a waste of time. Put them on the isos! Gerardo

<a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=ark0mpgu2j967hmhsBWvArbBbMwtFzx2IRo29h69rGPTHHumyIu5eaS3xIdvkECQghzQH7YPWFOTVhr9TXnFZNHY">geoff.stone@lendlease.com.au</a> wrote:

> It depends on the project. I have had cases where the shop fabricator was
a
> differnent organisation to the installation contractor. Off shore work is
> invariably like this. I have normally got an experienced supervisor or
foreman
> to mark up the isos at checking stage for the FFWs. In the contract
documents
> you can always allow the fabricator/field installer to change the FFWs if
they
> are one and the same.
>
> Many contractors do not produce shop spool drawings these days preferring
to
> work directly from the isos. They may not even have a spooling shop rather
> erecting a temporary area at site.
>
> I do not think this level of detail is a waste of time if you use
experienced
> resources to put on the information. Even if the field guy has a different
> opinion to where FFWs go it does not mean they are right or any smarter
than the
> designer.
>
> "Paul Bowers" <pbowers@pipingdesign.com> on 08/06/2001 09:26:26
>
> Please respond to <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=I19wSWD5E3r4izIMUstPgWWv79U9NzVV4zk6XtrfCrrAH46z64RTZLqZvENUJbSPBLHgBMZ3RMY02oN-dWJHRGND">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
>
> To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> cc:
>
> Subject: [PipingDesign] Piping Erection
>
> Just wondering what the general consensus is on this, me not being
> a fab guy.
>
> Should field weld and field-fit welds be indicated on the piping
> isometric (I'm not referring to spool sheets)?
>
> Since it is the piping fabricator who will be installing the
> system, aren't they in a better position to determine where to
> break up the line? I suspect that most effort put into specifying
> FWs and FFWs is wasted.
>
> Paul
>
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