Re: Design checklist?

It reminds me of the case where two individuals are making bricks for a cathedral construction. The first one was pissed off, exhausted, agonizing. He was asked:
What are you doing?
He said: Donīt you see? Making $%/$&%# bricks for this construction Do you know why you are doing it?
Ask me if I care!!! he replied.

The the second guy, who looked happy, serene, focused, good humored, was asked the same question and he responded:

I am building a Cathedral!

Morale: It is better to know what and why you are doing what you are doing!

"SARE, RALPH H." wrote:

> i dont quite agree (i mean not wholly). the posting raised by the gentlemen
> is limited to the checklist related to piping design o nly. we're not
> talking here of designing the process or the viability of the project
> because if that is the case then .the very first thing is estbalishing the
> dcf or roi or conducting a lcc analysis.
>
> ny assumption is that the scope of work (sow) has been defined and flow
> sheet develop - normally this is job rest squarelywith the process engineer.
> if we limit our discussion to capital project or modification then the
> economics has also been prepered and that the dcf iis found acceptable.
>
> lets go back to 300(b)(1) of b31.3 where the responsibilites of the designer
> is define and 300(b)(c) where the code intent was stated. - establishing the
> sow of the whole thing was never part of the designer repsobisilites and
> never been the i ntent of the Code.
>
> the process guys may have estbalished the flow, the pressure and the temp
> but i doubt whtewther that has been verfied as complying with chapter II of
> b31.3. estbalishing the design condition under 301 is clealry the
> reposobilitu of the piping desingner.. note that this is also the very first
> section of chapeter II hence the 1st step.
>
> if we are talking about the big big picture - piping, instrumentation,
> equipment, duration, project comparison, lcc, etc then i agree with
> christopher.
> > ----------
> > From: Christopher Wright[SMTP:chrisw@skypoint.com]
> > Reply To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=jC7BdBFJ0D5r_6Ay9jED8bpCpaB90XMzzkz6WMrIfsoM1YxSdh0olRmZrfKuoWLPoXw0KXQELMDSdPKBXrTrbgGhNw">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> > Sent: 12 June, 2001 5:21 PM
> > To: ?
> > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Design checklist?
> >
> > >i may add that the very 1st step in the design is establishing the design
> > >conditions for the pressure/temperature together with the different
> > loading
> > >conditions (siesmic, wind, etc.). this is the easy part
> > Actually that's the second or third step. The first step is finding out
> > what the customer expects you to provide. For example--if the customer
> > has done the process design, he may have already figured out the
> > temperatures and pressures in the system.
> >
> > The next step is the architecture--where does a run of pipe start, where
> > does it end and where the hardware in between is supposed to go. Unless
> > of course your customer has provided that information, too.
> >
> > Every engineering job starts by figuring out what you're going to be
> > providing to your customer. That's the only way to know when the job is
> > finished.
> >
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Received on Wed Jun 13 08:55:00 2001