Hi Folks,
What I am finding these days is cad operators who pass
themselves of as piping designers. As long as they are
using a 3d package, they can stumble along and bluff
thru as thing are not checked 100% these days. But
when it comes to doing the 2d stuff and doing the isos
the old way - like not using isogen or whatever for
auto generating isos - the are as useful as an ashtray
on a motor bike!
Regards.
Derek Littleford
--- Bruce Bullough <bbullough@sebesta.com> wrote:
> I recently got into the consulting side of things,
> partly because of the
> practices of modern manufacturing companies. Those
> same companies have all
> got to the point where they have or are eliminating
> engineers over about the
> age of 50 (the most experienced and most highly
> paid), and they are
> replacing them with new grads who have no one to
> turn to for decades of
> depth and experience. Some companies have a lot of
> middle-aged engineers
> (they're all in their 40s), and no youth. In the
> former situation, who are
> the "kids" going to turn to? Additionally, many of
> us who spoke up about
> codes, standards, maintenance, and general good
> practice were often not seen
> as "team players" in keeping costs down, and those
> who are left can see that
> if they say anything they are out too. This is why
> the questions come up.
> The way business wants to get its engineering done
> is giving us a new
> "heuristic" for how we approach our careers and how
> we approach our jobs.
> Please understand that I have no hard feelings, I
> just see the "writing on
> the wall." I've been very successful. I just
> regret that business pays
> infinitely more attention to what a Wall Street
> analyst says and does than
> what their business is losing in in-house knowledge,
> expertise, and
> "intellectual property". And, expect it to get
> worse (or for us in
> consulting, better).
>
> ... Bruce D. Bullough ...
> Sebesta Blomberg & Associates
> 2381 Rosegate
> P.O. Box 131750
> Roseville, MN 55113
> 651/634-7344 - office
> 651/634-7400 - FAX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Chadwick
> [mailto:j.w.chadwick@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:13 PM
> To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=kz9mqig_NLi_xgH3tUH66Oci2Jq9KYLmw7ZyGnxC8_ys-HxZi8Ks7f-seEGCc3IZz6KsEAhT9rz3XCd_HlZmOFeqiJLNx70">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> Subject: [PipingDesign] Just a thought
>
>
> Whilst appreciating that one of the benefits of a
> group like this is to
> share knowledge and support others, if at all
> possible, I am becoming a
> little concerned at some of the requests for
> information and assistance.
>
> Whilst no single piping engineer or designer can be
> an expert in everything,
> some of the information requested would seem to
> indicate that the
> organizations some of our members work for have
> absolutely no technical back
> up in terms of international, national or company
> standards. It also seems
> to indicate that there are no other more experienced
> engineers or designers
> within those organizations to whom these type of
> questions could asked in
> the first instance. If this is not so, presumably
> people are resorting to
> this before seeking the answer within their own
> organizations.
>
> I'm not trying to restart the argument regarding
> manual drafting / cad. That
> has nothing to do with this. I am merely making the
> observation that many of
> the recent requests for help to this group ought to
> be answerable within the
> requesters own organizations.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Chadwick
>
>
>
>
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