laser to fitup bfw piping?
last time ive use the laser is to check to coupling alignment (double
reverse) of a motor and compressor and verify the rails of the overhead
bridge crane. Level will just be fine to ensure proper piping fitup and
theodolite or transit will be good enough to establish a benchmark. Why use
laser when the PFI allows u some fabrication and construction tolerance (as
high as 1D in some cases. The service agreement will normally have a scope
of work and some acceptance criteria speeled out that should be the basis
for a claim. If your off the criteria, then contractor has an obligation to
correct the deficiency.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerardo Delgado [mailto:gdelgado@tecnoconsult.com]
Sent: 17 July, 2001 5:13 PM
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com; <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=r9u2PErlfNeYpd7Xm-uaLmPy0bRbiJHryWDM-NPMUGhceCHjBu4y1Uaq9cOscCjN8NZDcPUf7Lc">twobar@yahoo.com</a>
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Just a thought
That was some kind of Plant Engineer. As a matter of fact, I donīt think he
is
an engineer. He was probably some mentally disturbed son-of-a-gun that
escaped
Danteīs inferno. You did your work right A.M., so dump that piece of dirt
out
of your life and keep up the good work. By the way, the stuff about the
level
out of level was funny! Iīm sure you donīt think is funny.
Gerardo
"A. M. Finke" wrote:
> After sending the first e-mail I decided I had more to say on the
> subject.
> We do a lot of rework and instillations for some of the major beef
> producers in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska. The people they
> intrust to run piping are 18 and 19 year old kids, at best. Most often
> with highly limited english skills. And the thing is nobody seems to
> care if the work they do is correctly, provided it was cheap and fast
> then they are happy. Case in point, After failing an ultrasonic
> thickness inspection we were called in to run new feed water lines to
> five boilers. Upon completion I was called in to a meeting with the
> plant Engineer ( I like to call them blame storming sessions) He out
> rightly accused my crew of shoddy workmanship and told me if our piping
> wasn't level and straight by afternoon we were out. I found this odd
> since I watched the guys set up the laser level to provide some thing
> accurate to work off of, but possibly they had set the beam to project
> on a slope. So I went to the boiler room with the two foot level I keep
> behind the seat of the truck and started to check our work. Every thing
> was right on the money so I crawled back down from the rafters and
> looked up. Sure enough our piping looked all wickashod, So I crawled
> back up in to the rafters and started to check the rest of the piping.
> Whoever had run the other lines over the years had just eyeballed or
> possibly measured of the ceiling which was sloped. so in comparison Our
> piping appeared to be out of level. I called the plant engineer back in
> to the boiler room after lunch and asked him to take a look at how my
> level read the piping. He absolutely would not except that our piping
> was right, in fact he accused me of having an out of level level and
> left. We haven't worked for him since.
>
> Warning the following editorialization is not intended to start an
> argument. Even if I am well known for doing so, If I intend to start an
> argument I will let you know.
>
> The point is our disdain for their system won't change it, and at
> least they are looking somewhere for the right answers. In my opinion
> any fish that attempts to swim against the current should be commended.
> Send the dumb question to me and all answer them, I'm not too proud.
> On Monday, July 16, 2001, at 12:13 PM, J Chadwick wrote:
>
> > Whilst appreciating that one of the benefits of a group like this is to
> > share knowledge and support others, if at all possible, I am becoming a
> > little concerned at some of the requests for information and assistance.
> >
> > Whilst no single piping engineer or designer can be an expert in
> > everything,
> > some of the information requested would seem to indicate that the
> > organizations some of our members work for have absolutely no technical
> > back
> > up in terms of international, national or company standards. It also
> > seems
> > to indicate that there are no other more experienced engineers or
> > designers
> > within those organizations to whom these type of questions could asked
> > in
> > the first instance. If this is not so, presumably people are resorting
> > to
> > this before seeking the answer within their own organizations.
> >
> > I'm not trying to restart the argument regarding manual drafting / cad.
> > That
> > has nothing to do with this. I am merely making the observation that
> > many of
> > the recent requests for help to this group ought to be answerable
> > within the
> > requesters own organizations.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim Chadwick
> >
> >
> >
> >
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