The problem is the project manager sees piles of drawings being issued to the
field and thinks everything is hunky dory. When its all wrong he/she blames the
field for the rework. Now we have consultants doing 3 D models and issueing the
model to the fab/install contractor and requiring them to get it all right. Thus
the nexus is broken between the original designer and the detailer. Sell your
shares in insurance companies boys because there are going to be some huge
catastrophies in the next decade
Dereb derebi <dereb1@yahoo.com> on 17/07/2001 10:31:20 PM
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Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Just a thought
Hi Folks,
What I am finding these days is cad operators who pass
themselves of as piping designers. As long as they are
using a 3d package, they can stumble along and bluff
thru as thing are not checked 100% these days. But
when it comes to doing the 2d stuff and doing the isos
the old way - like not using isogen or whatever for
auto generating isos - the are as useful as an ashtray
on a motor bike!
Regards.
Derek Littleford
--- Bruce Bullough <bbullough@sebesta.com> wrote:
> I recently got into the consulting side of things,
> partly because of the
> practices of modern manufacturing companies.
Those
> same companies have all
> got to the point where they have or are eliminating
> engineers over about the
> age of 50 (the most experienced and most highly
> paid), and they are
> replacing them with new grads who have no one to
> turn to for decades of
> depth and experience. Some companies have a lot of
> middle-aged engineers
> (they're all in their 40s), and no youth. In the
> former situation, who are
> the "kids" going to turn to? Additionally, many of
> us who spoke up about
> codes, standards, maintenance, and general good
> practice were often not seen
> as "team players" in keeping costs down, and those
> who are left can see that
> if they say anything they are out too. This is why
> the questions come up.
> The way business wants to get its engineering done
> is giving us a new
> "heuristic" for how we approach our careers and how
> we approach our jobs.
> Please understand that I have no hard feelings, I
> just see the "writing on
> the wall." I've been very successful. I just
> regret that business pays
> infinitely more attention to what a Wall Street
> analyst says and does than
> what their business is losing in in-house knowledge,
> expertise, and
> "intellectual property". And, expect it to get
> worse (or for us in
> consulting, better).
>
> ... Bruce D. Bullough ...
> Sebesta Blomberg & Associates
> 2381 Rosegate
> P.O. Box 131750
> Roseville, MN 55113
> 651/634-7344 - office
> 651/634-7400 - FAX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Chadwick
> [mailto:j.w.chadwick@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:13 PM
> To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=10S4c8a06uVKi_lFuQl3Hu8xLFnyFLNHFPhYBMHYlF1ayyC520sjGPcJWav_zlHIQ7mhv0G25F0XxHkoWolqhQ63QYE">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> Subject: [PipingDesign] Just a thought
>
>
> Whilst appreciating that one of the benefits of a
> group like this is to
> share knowledge and support others, if at all
> possible, I am becoming a
> little concerned at some of the requests for
> information and assistance.
>
> Whilst no single piping engineer or designer can be
> an expert in everything,
> some of the information requested would seem to
> indicate that the
> organizations some of our members work for have
> absolutely no technical back
> up in terms of international, national or company
> standards. It also seems
> to indicate that there are no other more experienced
> engineers or designers
> within those organizations to whom these type of
> questions could asked in
> the first instance. If this is not so, presumably
> people are resorting to
> this before seeking the answer within their own
> organizations.
>
> I'm not trying to restart the argument regarding
> manual drafting / cad. That
> has nothing to do with this. I am merely making the
> observation that many of
> the recent requests for help to this group ought to
> be answerable within the
> requesters own organizations.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Chadwick
>
>
>
>
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