New topics..

Gentlemen, and probably ladies, too...
For what it is worth..
I have been doing this work for nearly 30 years, I have worked, contract in most countries in the world. There has and always will be the same old stuff about Engineers and Designers,.. Boring... I doubt it will fade away whilst I am still in the business. Typically I have found the limit of 'Piping Engineering' to be the Stressing of Piping Systems, the majority of places I have worked have a Spec group, who in close working with the Process/Systems group select materials for these piping systems. Modern Computer aided design systems have the 'hooks' available to dump data to 3rd party stress programs, for example PDS to Ceaser. will this mean we don't need the Engineer input, again I doubt it. We will always need PE's to 'sign off' on critical systems.. I have found that your typical 'Stress Engineer' could not pipe his way out a paper bag, let alone start with a blank sheet of paper and layout a plant. So my conclusion there is a place for us all. As to Daymon's comments below, I agree with the sentiment, however us 'office types' are always looking for cost effective, efficient ways to improve field fit up. The snap shot attached is one such effort where we can overlay 3d CAD into a series of site 'Digital Video ' shots, these shots can be quizzed to get measurement accuracy to approx 3mm (1/8th"). Technology like this will undoubtedly improve the error rates particularly in Revamp/Debottleneck projects.. FYI This portion of the revamp was done around the Cold side of a major Ethylene plant. The design for the new piping, structures and equipment was done completely in the office.

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Regards

Simon

> 8" where I come from.. if your talking the lateral dimension. minus
you
> socket depth and backed out for your root gap.
>
> 18 years as a non degreed field engineer (fluor, b&r, veco). love my
job
> and
> would not have it any other way...
> I hate the office.
> I spend my days correcting and re-designing what the CAD operators and
> office pukes put on paper.
> basically I make sure that what my fitters and welders are tasked with
> building will work.
> something the office side of things has trouble seeing...
> just because it scales out on the plans and section does not mean it
will
> fit......
>
> my best to y'all.
>
> just an old field prick
>
> daymon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. M. Finke [mailto:twobarb@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 3:54 PM
> To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] moderate this
>
>
> What's the take off for the branch on a 2" 3000lb Socket Weld Lateral?
> Happy now?
>
> There is a reason I quit engineering school and opted for my job in
the
> field. And it was not my grades, my ACT scores or my IQ. It was
however
> because I don't much care to work with pricks. So I chose a different
> path I worked hard all day fitting, welding, and generally busting my
> ass. In the evenings I sat alone in hotel rooms and taught myself
trig,
> calc, and statics.
> Now I spend my days as a foremen, owner, designer, and fitter. I

> sit in my truck and draft piping on my laptop over coffee before my
> crews start for the day. I deal with problems that some of you could
> only dream of and I enjoy what I do.
> I am not some whining socialist complaining about how hard its
been
> for me. On the contrary I have enjoyed every minute, I like my rough
> life. I like the fact that we don't have petty little arguments about
> helping someone that asks a question no matter how simple. In fact I
> don't think I have ever had a petty argument in the field. We instead
> have real honest to goodness fights With broken noses and
terminations.
> My advice at this point is to put up or shut up. Several times
this
> subject has come up on the list and I would like to know what makes
> these "pompous asses" worthy of there own praises. I would like to
know,
> in case I should change religious affiliations, if they really are
that
> great. I think possibly the point of this list has been missed. I am
> here as I assume a good portion of the rest of you because I enjoy
> piping. As lame as that sounds I eat sleep and live it. I can't watch
a
> movie without without noticing the piping, and the occasional
Macintosh
> in the background.
> This might be a good time to sit and think about our
motivations.
> Are we here to help one another and further our craft, art, skill,
> profession in the process. Or are we here on the off chance that we
> might be able to solve some pivotal problem and be hoisted up on the
> shoulders of our peers and written about for ages to come.
> When you have thought about it I would like to see a show of
hands
> as to where we all stand. I will then decide if the list is worth the
> hard drive space and bandwidth it occupies on my machine.
> That is all
>
> A.M. Finke
> Owner
> Lion Heart Welding
>
>
>
> People who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety,
> Benjamin Franklin
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Received on Thu Sep 27 08:49:00 2001