Mr Paul
I deeply resemble your comments.
However I have finished my tax and have sufficient surplus to put a small downpayment on the stamp required for the envelope. So I unreservedly apologise to all offended by my unrequited outburst.Plus the rodents that entered the ranks of "endangered species" earlier this evening.
On a more serious note I STRONGLY believe one group is sufficient AND more beneficial than two (or more; where would it end?). And, whats the point?
As I am way off base here anyway I will take this opportunity to ask two questions:
As known by those of you who have done it, it takes literally hours to close manually operated butterfly valves over about 1000NB (36" to Canadians). I have heard that someone makes a powered handwheel rotator based around a chainsaw (for remote applications). Any contacts would be appreciated.
I have been stuck with designing some hydraulic circuits. What would really help is a "drag and drop" hydraulic symbol drawing package. Any leads?
Cheers
Steve McKenzie
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 3:12 AM
To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=VQGO6OVGcY-kJqGwBSpdolCE91-37H0FAIWsfINtsLY2GOvvmlEMWmiC4ETeNOFzB422CuQhQTyVl4vCzZY04tulzQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
Subject: [OT] Re: [PipingDesign] Nozzle placement in PDS
No, No, NO! [Imagine a two year-old stamping his feat and complaining]
Steve, your tax frustrations have nothing to do with this group, please keep these outbursts of agression limited to the usual beating of family members and the torture of small rodents.
OK, OK, I give up: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAD-PipingDesign/ If there is enough interest, I'll set up cad.pipingdesign.com as a seperate site. Someone else will have to manage it though.
Regards,
Mr Old Fart
> Dear Mr Old Fart
>
> being somewhat of a seasoned flatulator myself, and a stress analysis
> simpleton, I would like to take you to task over your latest edicts.
> First, why should the newcomers be the intended primary beneficiaries of
> this group? This is not the way I see it, having learned more than I have
> helped.
>
> Second, re CAD detail questions, I have learnt a lot from this as well.
For
> example, I would guess a significant proportion of the questions deal with
> driving instructions for various CAD packages. Very few deal with real
world
> boundary conditions such as scaling, erosion, corrosion allowances,
> materials selection, surge, dimensional accuracy, product quality,
> constructability (excluding pipe rack layouts and pipe supports, which get
a
> fair hammering), serviceability, process stability etc etc. This suggests
to
> me that these latter conditions, which I often struggle with, are either
> predefined for many of the active members in this group or are not
> considered sufficiently difficult to need a second opinion.
> I suspect the former, but may be doing a disservice to many group members
in
> doing so.
>
> How this helps me is when I employ a piping draftsman, I now pay
particular
> attention to the individual strengths of the person. Some are quite happy
to
> carry out the entire design while others prefer to do the stress analysis
> and layout details (flanges, hangers reactions etc) only. Some want to
> trace.
>
> Third, and more important, this group enables me to throw the odd "curved
> ball" question to piping design "experts" I meet during my work. Its not
> really that important, but gives me a little perverse pleasure from time
to
> time.
>
> I have no problem with the CAD detail questions, and feel that this is an
> appropriate forum. If a separate forum was formed, then I would be
concerned
> that this would create a further division between the applied theoretical
> and the more practical aspects of piping design.
>
> If this response appears inflammatory to you then you are right. I am
doing
> my tax return this evening, and I fail to see why I should be the only one
> to suffer.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve McKenzie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 12:01 AM
> To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=VQGO6OVGcY-kJqGwBSpdolCE91-37H0FAIWsfINtsLY2GOvvmlEMWmiC4ETeNOFzB422CuQhQTyVl4vCzZY04tulzQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Nozzle placement in PDS
>
>
> Perhaps this is a good opportunity to more clearly define the goals of
this
> list.
>
> It was originally founded to promote the concept of piping design as an
> engineering discipline, to aid in transferring knowledge from the
> "old-timers" to the newcomers, to discuss and explore interesting
projects,
> processes and methods, and to create a world-wide community of people with
> similar interests.
>
> -Now I revert back to Old Fart mode-
>
> Detailed CAD piping software questions do not really belong on the list,
as
> they are far too technically specific for the majority of the subscribers
to
> be able to relate to.
>
> What I am seeing on this list is a lot of great input and responses (75%),
> some irrelevant stuff (10%) and my usual moderator blatherings (5%).
>
> With the amount of subscribers we have, we could have a really good list
> fight about this.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > It is not like that, There is no need to write a EDEN PROGRAM. I am
facing
> > problem because i am very new in PDS.
> > I think you are actually not aware of it. I have already done it to put
> 40"
> > nozzle with help of Mr. Nimish Pindaria who was perviously with me and
at
> > presently in RIL and also member of this group. If you have any doubt
> about
> > PDS please contact him (Pl. do not give reply of matter in which you are
> not
> > knowing the truth)
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > actually programming is available only upto 36" only in pds.
> > > For placing 40" Nozzle you have write EDEN PROGRAM.
> > > If you are not aware of it, your administrator might be knowing it,
> > > just consult him.
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