Steve,
Thanks for the info, I'll let you know how my search goes.
Regards
Conor
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve McKenzie [mailto:Mechproj@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 18:29
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Anchor Forces & Moments
Hi Conor,
I have led you astray, I fear.
The title "Structural Steel Simply Explained" is wrong and should be
"Constructional Steelwork Simply Explained"
The books are at my local library which you can search at the following
address:
http://www.cityofdunedin.com/library/catalogue/webclient.html
If you search the catalogue under "Authors", Faber Oscar you will find them and a few others by Oscar (b1889) and John(b1921) who I guess is his son. The catalogue also gives publisher details. A brief peruse at Amazon makes me think they may be out of print as a later book by John Faber on HVAC is listed out of print. If you need some help, let me know.
Cheers
Steve McKenzie
-----Original Message-----
From: Conor Walshe [mailto:conor.walshe@alceng.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:02 PM
To: 'PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Anchor Forces & Moments
Steve,
I have tried to obtain "Structural Steel Simply Explained" by Oscar Faber and "Reinforced Concrete Simply Explained" but the Technical book shops cannot find any record, do you know if they out of print or has their titles been modified??
Regards
Conor
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve McKenzie [mailto:Mechproj@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2002 21:55
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Anchor Forces & Moments
Hi Tushar Zope
your question is one of transfer of responsibility. The pipe stress engineer
calculates the forces and moments generated by the pipe system which need to
be resisted by a structure. It is the job of the structural engineer to
provide supports capable of withstanding these forces and moments. In my
opinion, it is important that the pipe stress engineer understands a little
about the design of the supports, and conversely, the structural engineer
understands a little about the pipe force/moment design. Without this
overlap of understanding, it is all too easy to produce an inefficient
overall design. Also without overlap, it is easy to make mistakes,
especially through misunderstanding. On a project with a designated lead
designer, it is his/her responsibility to ensure overall design efficiency/
cost effectiveness. Your first task is to find out who this person is. This
person should be able to answer your question, or tell you who to ask. If
your project is management style based, it may be necessary to build a
relationship with the structural engineers. You will probably find that the
answer to your question is at least as complex (and probably more) as your
calculations required to determine the applied forces and moments. There is
no easy answer, but you will increase your value immeasurably if you attain
a basic understanding of the design principles of structural restraining
systems.
As a starting point, I suggest you read "Structural Steel Simply Explained"
by Oscar Faber. Then read everything you can find by Oscar, including
"Reinforced Concrete Simply Explained". His books are short and to the
point. They will help you inderstand what the structural engineers are
trying to tell you. I wish I knew a book you could give the structural
engineers to read. I have not found one yet.
Cheers
Steve McKenzie
-----Original Message-----
From: Tushar, Zope [mailto:zope_tushar@fwc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:08 AM
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PipingDesign] Anchor Forces & Moments
Friends,
In one of our projects, Anchor forces & moments is the cause of arguments & discussions of the experts.
How do we check that the anchor forces & moments are with in the allowable limits? I mean the anchor itself does not fail.
Is there any formula to check the strength of the anchor? In this case how
to
calculate the allowable value for (Fx, Fy, Fz & Mx, My, Mz).
Thanks & regards.
Tushar Zope
Piping Engineer
Foster Wheeler Eastern Pte. Ltd, Singapore
Ph: 6890 0774 Fax: 6223 2989
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