RE: Urgent Vent and Drain Issue!

From: <Geoff>
Date: Wed Jul 03 2002 - 01:33:00 EDT

I call the older guys the "Buffalo Hunters". They sit around the camp fire chanting "the herds are going to come back"

Albeit they are in the pub whining about the good old days of B1 sized sheets of paper, slide rules, charts and hand drawn isometrics. --- Steve McKenzie <Mechproj@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> Yeah
> I have two.
>
> 1) I agree it shouldnt be on the PFDs, but it should be on the P&IDs. What
> is the supervisor meant to do when he starts finding branches on the
> pipework that arent on the P&ID? Does not comply. I always tell my guys the
> P&ID is god.
> Not convinced the branches are hydro test connections as these often go in
> the test flanges. Have sometimes used branches for installed hydro tests on
> multiple lines, however.
>
> 2) Old guys dont whine about the good old days any more because nostalgia
> aint what it used to be.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve McKenzie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:53 PM
> To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Urgent Vent and Drain Issue!
>
>
> Someone already mentioned that connections may be required for shop hydro or
> pneumatic testing (not for draining or venting).
>
> Unless the designer is actually specifying spool lengths and knows exactly
> how the parts of the puzzle will be assembled prior to erection - heh-heh,
> he said "erection" - in the field, usually the fabricator dictates any
> supplementally needed connections. The cost of this is covered in the
> contract.
>
> PFDs should only show connections which are process-related or
> specially-required connections due to unusual fluids or processes. Adding
> this information at an early stage only confuses everything. P&IDs are
> similar; it is not required to show *every piping detail* on it. It's always
> fun to see the newbies argue about what should and should not be on the
> P&ID.
>
> Then again, I'm assuming that even junior CAD guys are given
> project/process/piping specs the day they start and that they actually read
> and absorb them. Maybe I'm wrong and juniors are too busy these days/are not
> considered important enough to be given the documents.
>
> Or maybe the older guys that know all this stuff can't figure out how to
> access the project specs on the intranet, so they sit around all day whining
> about the old days.
>
> Comments?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> > If at all, It will be as per the process requirement only. Are you sure
> > it's not there in the P&ID?
>
>
> > > Recently one of our Piping subcontractor has asked for extra drain
> points
> > > in the GRP pipe lines.These would be in additional to the normal high
> > > point vents or low point drains. Is there any technical reason for the
> > > same? Should the same be provided?
>
>
>
>
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