RE: Urgent Vent and Drain Issue!

From: <Steve>
Date: Wed Jul 03 2002 - 03:27:00 EDT

Sounds like someone needs a hug.

Having just bitten one of my best clients (not quite too sure why) I appear to be in a like mood.

Coincidence? Increased sunspot activity?

This email intentionally has nothing whatsoever to do with piping. I just feel like being annoying.

Oh well if you insist:
Is there a procedure for doing a "stab in" into concrete lined steel pipe. main line is 400NB. Branch will be 100NB but could be made bigger to suit procedure. It is preferred that all work is done externally as it is very difficult to crawl up the 400 NB line for any patching. I have a few ideas, but would prefer to use a proven method.

Cheers

Steve McKenzie

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:33 PM
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Urgent Vent and Drain Issue!

Hi Mahavir and everyone else,

No I don't agree (just for the sake of not agreeing). From now on I'm going to instigate fights around here, I am growing bored of 6 or 7 people consistently answering questions with little or no input from the other 450 or so subscribers.

Which reminds me...I'm going to cull the list soon - this has been done before here. There are far too many people subscribed from anonymous accounts that are bouncing. I'd rather have 100 quality listmembers than 500 people who sign-up and then don't read.

I will let everyone know when the axe will fall and give a two week notice. I am seriously considering changing the subscription requirements.

Please don't email me about this, I will make a general announcement to all when I have decided how to manage the change.

Paul

• Original Message ----- From: "Prasad Mahavir/Piping"

> Hey Paul,
>
> Are you not forgetting another category?...guys who are not juniors, but
> have not yet reached the elder level. I guess that this set, and it
includes
> me :-)), feels equally comfortable with 'absorbing' specs and 'looking
these
> up on intranet'. However, since there are all types and all ages in most
of
> the teams, things usually work out. You agree?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mahavir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> Sent: 03 July, 2002 1:23 PM
> To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Urgent Vent and Drain Issue!
>
>
> Someone already mentioned that connections may be required for shop hydro
or
> pneumatic testing (not for draining or venting).
>
> Unless the designer is actually specifying spool lengths and knows exactly
> how the parts of the puzzle will be assembled prior to erection - heh-heh,
> he said "erection" - in the field, usually the fabricator dictates any
> supplementally needed connections. The cost of this is covered in the
> contract.
>
> PFDs should only show connections which are process-related or
> specially-required connections due to unusual fluids or processes. Adding
> this information at an early stage only confuses everything. P&IDs are
> similar; it is not required to show *every piping detail* on it. It's
always
> fun to see the newbies argue about what should and should not be on the
> P&ID.
>
> Then again, I'm assuming that even junior CAD guys are given
> project/process/piping specs the day they start and that they actually
read
> and absorb them. Maybe I'm wrong and juniors are too busy these days/are
not
> considered important enough to be given the documents.
>
> Or maybe the older guys that know all this stuff can't figure out how to
> access the project specs on the intranet, so they sit around all day
whining
> about the old days.
>
> Comments?
>
> Paul
>
>
> > If at all, It will be as per the process requirement only. Are you sure
> > it's not there in the P&ID?
>
>
> > > Recently one of our Piping subcontractor has asked for extra drain
> points
> > > in the GRP pipe lines.These would be in additional to the normal high
> > > point vents or low point drains. Is there any technical reason for the
> > > same? Should the same be provided?

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Received on Wed Jul 03 03:27:00 2002