Too bad we have about 20 regular contributors and about 680 lurkers. No,
wait, I deleted 4 spammers yesterday, so that should read 676 lurkers.
Paul
> No problem, nice to finally contribute instead of just hover!
>
> Regards,
>
> Aaron Wolfe
> Piping Designer
> Paul Mueller Company
> P.O. Box 828
> Springfield, Mo 65801
> (417) 575-9780
> E-mail: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=Gf_3glOMxFVq2utJ0sxgxp9msdt6_9nTYTsekeBxcKxkYjsP2H3-oCwwy6sMzWYEaGwkBF4">awolfe@muel.com</a>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:48 AM
> To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=eXQEQH7-_sddPgQpY6_KgU6GsywhMrKyXY54fYm7sCGfESwQTOw50ERA23D6of-4FH-yg7h6rLqFBUjICb5HRle6bOiWqQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
>
> Thanks for the info Aaron, it is interesting. Maybe others that work in
> specialized piping are willing to share info (within reason and not
> disclosing proprietary stuff, of course) with those of us engaged in the
> more common fields.
>
> http://www.seiberling4cip.com/evol&dev.htm (which I have linked from
> http://www.pipingdesign.com/steamtraps.html) seems to be a pretty good
> overview of CIP.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Wolfe" <awolfe@muel.com>
> To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
>
>
> > The entire system has to CIP(clean in place) internally. Mechanical
> > joints(hygienic clamps) are kept to a minimum, the only exception is
> for
> > instruments that require maintenance, periodic cleaning, or
> calibration.
> > Everything is modular. Piperacks are used where needed but we don't
> > always design interconnected piping. Building contractors do most of
> > that for our projects.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Aaron Wolfe
> > Piping Designer
> > Paul Mueller Company
> > P.O. Box 828
> > Springfield, Mo 65801
> > (417) 575-9780
> > E-mail: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=Gf_3glOMxFVq2utJ0sxgxp9msdt6_9nTYTsekeBxcKxkYjsP2H3-oCwwy6sMzWYEaGwkBF4">awolfe@muel.com</a>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:12 AM
> > To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=eXQEQH7-_sddPgQpY6_KgU6GsywhMrKyXY54fYm7sCGfESwQTOw50ERA23D6of-4FH-yg7h6rLqFBUjICb5HRle6bOiWqQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> > Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> >
> > You are referring to external surface wipe-down in order to maintain
> > surrounding room cleanliness, I assume. Do you use piperacks and
> modular
> > construction for breakdown maintenance/interior cleaning, or would the
> > mechanical joints required just add an additional possible point of
> > ingress
> > for contaminants?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aaron Wolfe" <awolfe@muel.com>
> > To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:02 AM
> > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> >
> >
> > > The amount varies per customer spec, but it is usually approx. 2"
> > > required space between 2 parallel runs of pipe for wipe-down. More
> > > would usually be factored in if it weren't for the tight spaces we
> > have
> > > to fit everything into.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Aaron Wolfe
> > > Piping Designer
> > > Paul Mueller Company
> > > P.O. Box 828
> > > Springfield, Mo 65801
> > > (417) 575-9780
> > > E-mail: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=Gf_3glOMxFVq2utJ0sxgxp9msdt6_9nTYTsekeBxcKxkYjsP2H3-oCwwy6sMzWYEaGwkBF4">awolfe@muel.com</a>
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:56 AM
> > > To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=eXQEQH7-_sddPgQpY6_KgU6GsywhMrKyXY54fYm7sCGfESwQTOw50ERA23D6of-4FH-yg7h6rLqFBUjICb5HRle6bOiWqQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> > > Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> > >
> > > Hmmm, maybe cryogenic piping would fit in that group as well
> (although
> > > the
> > > extremely low temperatures would sort of set it apart). When you
> > mention
> > > clearances, what does that mean?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Aaron Wolfe" <awolfe@muel.com>
> > > To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:44 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ok I see what you mean. I say, yes. They all work in similar
> > > materials,
> > > > similar instruments, and similar environments. One of the hardest
> > > > things that I've seen for designers working for the first time
> with
> > > > Pharm/food/semicon industry are the slopes and clearances that
> have
> > to
> > > > be maintained for a system to be certified. And the cleanliness
> > > issues
> > > > that have to be maintained when the system you're designing is
> going
> > > in
> > > > a clean room. Some of the contract pipers we've hired just don't
> > get
> > > > it. Why does this line need to slope 1/4" per foot? Why do they
> > need
> > > > that much room to clean between pipe runs? Etc, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Aaron Wolfe
> > > > Piping Designer
> > > > Paul Mueller Company
> > > > P.O. Box 828
> > > > Springfield, Mo 65801
> > > > (417) 575-9780
> > > > E-mail: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=Gf_3glOMxFVq2utJ0sxgxp9msdt6_9nTYTsekeBxcKxkYjsP2H3-oCwwy6sMzWYEaGwkBF4">awolfe@muel.com</a>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:37 AM
> > > > To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=eXQEQH7-_sddPgQpY6_KgU6GsywhMrKyXY54fYm7sCGfESwQTOw50ERA23D6of-4FH-yg7h6rLqFBUjICb5HRle6bOiWqQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> > > >
> > > > As a subgroup of the piping design "discipline", I mean. I.E.,
> > those
> > > > who
> > > > have experience in one of these 3 fields wouldn't take long to get
> > up
> > > to
> > > > full speed if moved to one of the others.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Aaron Wolfe" <awolfe@muel.com>
> > > > To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:27 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Grouped together as to what? Discussions? Or just the type of
> > work?
> > > > I
> > > > > guess I'm just not sure what you mean.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron Wolfe
> > > > > Piping Designer
> > > > > Paul Mueller Company
> > > > > P.O. Box 828
> > > > > Springfield, Mo 65801
> > > > > (417) 575-9780
> > > > > E-mail: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=Gf_3glOMxFVq2utJ0sxgxp9msdt6_9nTYTsekeBxcKxkYjsP2H3-oCwwy6sMzWYEaGwkBF4">awolfe@muel.com</a>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:25 AM
> > > > > To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=eXQEQH7-_sddPgQpY6_KgU6GsywhMrKyXY54fYm7sCGfESwQTOw50ERA23D6of-4FH-yg7h6rLqFBUjICb5HRle6bOiWqQ">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> > > > >
> > > > > Question for you: should the pharmaceutical, food and
> > semiconductor
> > > > > industries (related to piping) be grouped together? All require
> > > > extreme
> > > > > cleanliness, use SS and typically smaller bore piping is used.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Aaron Wolfe" <awolfe@muel.com>
> > > > > To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:50 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] Straight runs for flowmeters
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I work in pharmaceutical piping mostly. The Flow meters that
> > I've
> > > > > used
> > > > > > have a requirement for 3-6 OD's length of pipe upstream of the
> > > > > > instrument. What this does is get a more laminar flow out of
> > the
> > > > > > product which provides better accuracy in measurement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aaron Wolfe
> > > > > > Piping Designer
> > > > > > Paul Mueller Company
> > > > > > P.O. Box 828
> > > > > > Springfield, Mo 65801
> > > > > > (417) 575-9780
> > > > > > E-mail: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=Gf_3glOMxFVq2utJ0sxgxp9msdt6_9nTYTsekeBxcKxkYjsP2H3-oCwwy6sMzWYEaGwkBF4">awolfe@muel.com</a>
Received on Thu Oct 30 11:08:00 2003
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