RE: Master Project Stickfile

From: <Steve>
Date: Thu Nov 20 2003 - 03:13:00 EST

Yes stickfiles are still alive and well. I still use them in fast track construction because construction has a habit of overtaking detail design changes. Without one master drawing file (and custodian) that can be referred to at a glance, the number of "doesnt fit" problems can become unmanageable. Anyone (other than the custodian) removing a drawing from the stickfile is taken outside and executed. While some of the CAD systems appear fairly impressive in terms of revision control and auditing, I still prefer red ink on paper; markups can be done during the discussion, and it forces on-the-spot agreement. This seems to stay in peoples memory better than discussing and issuing a later revision which may not reflect the understanding of all concerned. My opinion will probably change when all supervisors, contractors and other decision makers (and myself) are fully CAD-literate. However this appears to be no closer to happening than it was 5-10 years ago. Perhaps CAD has given to engineering all it is ever likely to give; basically a slightly faster way of drawing lines and a much faster way of copying portions of drawings.

Cheers

Steve McKenzie

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From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:20 PM To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=cYuqV-ZFWrw8RMTBy_c382Ae7lsWXlTc5Ta7Nsxn5E8pgBE6jUq-MTgyXKFVWloDg7e-AFV-MHFfiXKpTGNr7MrDtTzf0Ww">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a> Subject: [PipingDesign] Master Project Stickfile

Does anyone remember what this used to be?

For the uninitiated, it was a centrally-located, bound collection of the latest project prints that was issued on a regular basis. All the active disciplines in a project would use it as a reference point for what the current project status was. Knowledgeable affected representatives from different disciplines could collect around the master stickfile and discuss the latest changes/proposed changes and mark-up/initialize needed modifications. This wasn't done in an "official" meeting format, but was rather an informal hashing out of what needed to be done (which would be approved by management later in 95% of cases).

Does this still exist or has everything been transformed into time-consuming, useless meetings, Powerpoint slide presentations, email miscommunication and multi-user CAD models that are difficult to navigate for the typical (non-CAD) engineer?

With this question I'm referring to large scale projects.

Paul

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