Re: OGF: War History

From: <George>
Date: Wed Jan 21 2004 - 15:55:00 EST

Steve:
Actually, you wouldn't even need the torpedos (talk to the Russians on the KIEV, they're dangerous). Reinforce the conning tower and superstructure, and do an emergency surface drill every now and then. If a whaler happens to be in the wrong spot, how very unfortunate....

I'm just wondering about the comment of the subs being diesel - darn limited application there. Suppose you could use them as a training tool? Or dress up politicians and functionaries and let them be Captain Nemo? Or could one of the mega-theme parks be exploring a new venue?

George McKinney

   If Canada has subs, then compared to us (NZ) it is a superpower.    Be assured the deal will be part of a back room contra. Are they actually    British or captured U boats?
   Our defence policy is far more progressive; we have a few troops who keep    the peace, no combat planes, a little vintage armour,couple of frigates and    thats about it. For defence we bludge off larger countries like Australia    and US by hiding behind their skirts. We tried hiding behind the UN but they    keep trying to hide behind us, so we will have to stop that. However we have    just bought some APCs which supposedly dont do what is required - typical. I    wonder is we could swap some of our APCs for one of Canadas subs. We also    have a bit of a fisheries problem. I reckon a couple of torpedos in the side    of a poaching trawler would work wonders, and would give the diplomats    something to do.

   Cheers

   Steve

   -----Original Message-----
   From: George McKinney [mailto:gmckinney@augustaeng.com]    Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:09 AM    To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] OGF: War History

   Paul:
   Sounds like someone up there has been taking lessons from our glorious    liters - get the country in the political and economic equivalent of a black    hole, and then come up with a search for weapons of mass distraction.

   Actually, you might have a real need for those subs. You could have an    all-weather patrol on the outer continental shelf for lobster, whale and    codfish poachers. With the Mad Cow scares, and the Adkins diet getting    people off eating grains, seafood could be a strategic resource!

   George McKinney

     Jumping ahead a few decades...

     Canada just spent $750 Million on 4 used British diesel submarines - can
     anyone tell me how this makes sense.



     In my mind the submarine is an offensive weapon with very little
     defensive capability.

     Does anyone really look upon Canada as an offensive power?

     Can anyone picture a scenario where a Canadian submarine fires a torpedo
     or missile against anyone?

     Would these subs have any kind of chance against their Russian, Chinese
     or Rogue nation counterparts?



     We do a good job as peacekeepers - this purchase really baffles me.



     Paul Hawco

     Mechanical Engineer

     Neill & Gunter (Nova Scotia) Limited

     http://www.neillandgunter.com <http://www.neillandgunter.com>







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