Exactly...I was talking about selling/transferring 2nd hand software,
not buying secondhand software.
The ruling was in California if I'm not mistaken....adobe vs. softman 2001.
Regards,
Aaron Wolfe
Piping Designer
Paul Mueller Company
P.O. Box 828
Springfield, Mo 65801
(417) 575-9780
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Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] RE: PipingDesign] RE: Secondhand Engineering
Software
... the price of a transfer is inevitably the same as a new buy. My experience with autodesk et al.
Where and what was this ""ruling?"" specifically. May be only one local
US
jurisdiction. Its not the case in California "software country".
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Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] RE: PipingDesign] RE: Secondhand Engineering
Software
You can.....if you can get past the Software companies scare tactics. Most EULA'a state that resale is not an option. But there have been rulings that contradict that. A ruling in '01 stated that software sales were just that a sale, not a licensing agreement.
With AutoDESK you just need to make sure and go through your original seller and make sure there are good circumstances, ex: company reorganization, buyout, etc.
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Aaron Wolfe
Piping Designer
Paul Mueller Company
P.O. Box 828
Springfield, Mo 65801
(417) 575-9780
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Subject: [PipingDesign] RE: PipingDesign] RE: Secondhand Engineering
Software
Please excuse any spam references; someones spam detector is throwing a hissyfit.
I thought you could resell software provided you sell all of it.
The following is from my Win2K EULA
Software Product Transfer. You may permanently transfer all
of your rights under this EULA only as part of a
permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE, provided
you retain no copies, you transfer all of the SOFTWARE
PRODUCT (including all component parts, the media and
printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA and, if
applicable, the Certificate(s) of Authenticity), and
the recipient agrees to the terms of this EULA. If the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT is an upgrade, any transfer must also
include all prior versions of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
Normally OEM (bundled)software is not resellable, and upgrades are
mentioned
above.
That still leaves a fair amount of stuff for legit sale.
Do some engineering programs not permit this conditional reselling? If
so
any idea which ones so I can avoid buying them.
Cheers
Steve McKenzie
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Subject: [SPAM][PipingDesign] RE: [spam] Secondhand Engineering Software
Importance: High
system didnt like your attachment (see note below) but its a good
question.
I would also be interested because the "bleeding edge software" isnt
essential and often has bugs. Its getting to be a big issue because you
buy
a tool in any other industry it has resale value. Software agreements do
not
allow resale or transfer of product.
Given the huge cost of software I beleive this has to change.
there are a few sites and i asked Paul once about buying from them .. I
agree with his answer. Its not safe.eg
SOFTWARE CHEAP <a href="http://www.zdzoft.com/enter.html">http://www.zdzoft.com/enter.html</a>
Ansys 6.0 $ 480.00 SAS IP The key to the ANSYS difference is
"multiphysics." ANSYS, Inc. has long recognized that no real-world part
ever
experiences just structural loading, for example. Environmental factors
and
the complexity of real-world conditions introduce other physical forces
to
weigh on even the simplest parts. This is why ANSYS engineering
simulation
software enables users to analyze parts for behavior under numerous
physical
forces at once.
This is a heck of a deal... trouble is the software needs an
Authorization
Code. Often you see COSMOS for sale ... same thing. My guess is the
seller
doesnt care , he's given you the prgm and got his money. The fact you
cant
get the auth codes from the software company even if its older is not
the
software resellers concern. COSMOS, autodesk, coade and ANSYS will not
support/allow resales. I suspect everywhere its the same.
<a href="http://oem-cd.biz/adv3/?oem">http://oem-cd.biz/adv3/?oem</a> is another one in Eastern europe that keeps
changing its address . I suspect its take the money and run,, and they
have
your visa number then also..
I got into this when I tried to merge a business. Basically couldnt
discounted sell any software assets. Universally the partnership would
have
to buy new.
PS. I agree Paul does a great job providing a tremendous service..... (there....does that get me out of quarantine jail now?)
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