Hi Al
I think Chris may be winding you up. Leave some bait for the others, please.
Cheers
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Al [mailto:alwynk@shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:50 AM
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Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] OT: Expat Piping Designers
I have to totally disagree with Chris. its totally nonsense to suggest
lawyers take responsibility for their outcomes. Everybody knows that is
false. Besides they demand their money up front and want the pot constantly
refilled. They guarantee nothing except they will take your money,,, up
front. Ever heard of that in the engineering business. I havent.
There is an enormous shift of engineers and technical people into being
contractors
or self employed and running their own business.
We are all responsible and eminently at risk. London Drugs versus Knudsel
proved that.
I'm afraid you arent cognizant of the facts. Many engineers are sued,
generally if they are not its
because its a waste of money paying a high priced lawyer to sue an engineer
and recover nothing of engineer and little of the lawyers fees. Its simple
economics ,but i know many engineers embroiled in lawsuits in which they
have had to fund their own legal fees.
Doctors take little personal responsibility, it is virtually impossible to
sue them because of
a very powerful union as George said and insurers who will drive you into
bankrupty if you try.
As was stated Engineers have no such union or representation.. and dont say
your local association.
Theyre mandate is to protect the public. and worse.
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Wright [mailto:chrisw@skypoint.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:07 PM
To: ?
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] OT: Expat Piping Designers
>After all, doctors got where they are by being members of an extremely
>effective union, with an expensive initiation fee.
Doctors and lawyers got where they are by practicing autonomously. Most
engineers are employees, not practitioners. Relatively few engineers are
in the engineering business--most work for outfits who are in the
business of supplying manufactured goods. As employees they do what
they're told, they take no risks and are only rarely held accountable for
anything more than working to budget. Doctors on the other hand take
personal responsibility for their patient's welfare. Overruling competent
medical judgement is serious business. When someone dies under a doctor's
care, the physician isn't just doing what he's told--he's the guy in the
barrel.
Doctors (and lawyers, for that matter) earn public esteem for taking personal responsibility for outcomes. Very few engineers are even registered, let alone personally responsible for anything but following orders.
Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=17yb-EeX8OAoMFoRQznVqCfP9RSuo7m9EpqtQ7WgQW88n0c5SZ1cCGEzkcbIJfNmYjTyXiWV_G2Mhg">chrisw@skypoint.com</a> | this distance" (last words of Gen.
___________________________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864)<a href="http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw">http://www.skypoint.com/~chrisw</a>
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