<< If anyone
wants to change their profession, then go for it.
If anyone wants more money, respect etc while remaining an engineer,
then
work harder and promote yourself.>>
It is not so simple like that, one has to try to improve the state of engineers. All of us here in this forum are engineers and if we don't try then who else will?? One problem with the engineers is that they are very pessimistic. I have seen doctors and lawyers go on strike and take out processions in order to meet their demands. Engineers keep on working and try to be happy what they get. Why not go for a world wide body that monitors the welfare of engineers' world wide.
Regards,
Safdar
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve McKenzie [mailto:mechproj@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:32 AM
To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=jb0rJMMPozpR_j0EZ7fdeWwkOaoofuQRNx_l0ULfUbq2vtPrtqS79J5OWV0UaboY-Tcsr8Z9SiecPk0aqUOXRbzEVeTiUKo">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] OT: Expat Piping Designers
A lawyer earning public esteem? Thats a good one.
A lawyer taking personal responsibility? Stop it; you'll make me die
laughing.
My lawyer is a discharged bankrupt. His reason:" I broke the first rule
and
gave a personal guarantee"
Try getting anything other than "very good chance" out of a lawyer (
except
the "no cure,no pay" ambulance chasers).
In the words of the immortal Ambrose Bierce: " A lawyer is someone
skilled
in the circumvention of the law".
I dont know what the story is with doctors because I dont play golf. Referral seems to be a major revenue earner though. And they are able to bury their mistakes.
No point in looking over the fence though (apart from a laugh). If
anyone
wants to change their profession, then go for it.
If anyone wants more money, respect etc while remaining an engineer,
then
work harder and promote yourself.
Cheers
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Wright [mailto:chrisw@skypoint.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:07 AM
To: ?
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] OT: Expat Piping Designers
>After all, doctors got where they are by being members of an extremely
>effective union, with an expensive initiation fee.
Doctors and lawyers got where they are by practicing autonomously. Most
engineers are employees, not practitioners. Relatively few engineers are
in the engineering business--most work for outfits who are in the
business of supplying manufactured goods. As employees they do what
they're told, they take no risks and are only rarely held accountable
for
anything more than working to budget. Doctors on the other hand take
personal responsibility for their patient's welfare. Overruling
competent
medical judgement is serious business. When someone dies under a
doctor's
care, the physician isn't just doing what he's told--he's the guy in the
barrel.
Doctors (and lawyers, for that matter) earn public esteem for taking personal responsibility for outcomes. Very few engineers are even registered, let alone personally responsible for anything but following orders.
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