Dear Roy,
Thank you very much for your offer. I would like to have a copy of the book. I am certainly looking forward to seeing you in Muscat next month. Please give me a call at 515322 or 515316 (secretary).
Looking forward to seeing you again.
> Dear Dr A Seibi
> Nice to hear from you after such a long time.
> Rusayl institute is organising anothet Piping
> Inspection and Pressure Vessel inspection program for
> engineers in May 2004. It is as per API 510 and 570.
> Oil & Gas field and refinery engineers may
> participate. I hope that such programs are helpful for
> total and proper understanding of the health and
> reliability of the process plants and piping system
> particularly. i wish if some more discussions are
> generated on thos forum on the subject.
> N. K. Roy
>
> --- "Dr.A.Seibi" <aseibi@squ.edu.om> wrote:
> > Dear Roy,
> >
> > Hope that everything is fine with you. Are you
> > coming to Muscat in the near
> > future? Please advise. I need a copy of the newly
> > published book related
> > to project management.
> >
> > Your prompt reply will be highly appreciated.
> >
> > A. Seibi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Narendra Roy" <narendra_roy@yahoo.com>
> > To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:27 AM
> > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] New Current Interesting
> > Link - Drawing on Ex
> >
> >
> > > You may try again www.gramya.com
> > >
> > >
> > > NK Roy
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Michael Waugh <mike@waudesign.com> wrote:
> > > > I dont believe your link workd below. May want
> > to
> > > > check.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Waugh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Narendra Roy
> > [mailto:narendra_roy@yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:26 PM
> > > > To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=dwK33v4-vHicFM3k92BDOIWBNkUFrMCIMhT-1qH2OJjdRT3DIDOgJoZavrcvTT9Zy343N8Rrj_VIERGMWq1fBptA">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
> > > > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] New Current
> > Interesting
> > > > Link - Drawing on Ex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is turning out to be discussion on wider
> > aspects,
> > > > the total project
> > > > management which covers the Piping Design as a
> > part,
> > > > may be an important
> > > > part.If I have not forgotten the subject, it
> > seems I
> > > > have authored a book on
> > > > Project Management ( Indian Scenario) some 4
> > years
> > > > back and was recieved
> > > > well by the professionals in India and even
> > > > abroad.Now I understand the
> > > > importance of the role of the project manager
> > better
> > > > when a piping design
> > > > group discusses in such details worldwide
> > > > appreciating the managers role.
> > > > Any body having interest in the book may refer
> > the
> > > > website
> > > > www.gramya.comThanksNK Roy--- Al wrote:> some
> > > > really excellent points from
> > > > mike;> > H'es right on the money. The role of
> > > > managing a> project doing the>
> > > > calculations and doing the detail designwork are
> > > > all> value added essential>
> > > > roles. Many clients try to role them all into
> > one.>
> > > > On a very small project>
> > > > its possible with a rare and very skilled>
> > > > practictioner.> The time it takes
> > > > to communicate, get the real> picture,
> > > > collect the> information, and keep going down
> > the
> > > > right track is> an
> > > > invaluable role and> cannot be trivialized. Ever
> > > > noticed how on the other>
> > > > side the buyer/owner> calls up , communicates ,
> > asks
> > > > questions, gives>
> > > > feedback and direction or> wants input or
> > project
> > > > updates and is all doing
> > > > this> on his companies (paid)> time.> When you
> > try
> > > > to add manhours for these
> > > > tasks, or put> it on your bill, they> only want
> > to
> > > > pay for the time "on the>
> > > > board/computer"/ producing the calc or> the
> > piece of
> > > > paper. Somehow the
> > > > other> equally (if not more) important stuff has
> > no>
> > > > recompensory value,
> > > > only in> their time. IT is just ignorance
> > > > (sometimes> deliberate on thier
> > > > part). They> sure bitch if things go astray or
> > off
> > > > track.> > This is where a
> > > > good manager/PE shines and there are> some (not
> > many
> > > > ) out> there. Attempts
> > > > by owners to subvert bypass role> into one
> > > > overloaded> individual and
> > > > shortcut all that, or mishandling it> by poor
> > > > co-ordinating> skills is just
> > > > asking for trouble. And that
> > > > happens> lots.> > Why are we discussing this;
> > > > because as expectations> get
> > > > higher and they are,> things get more complex
> > and
> > > > they are, accountability>
> > > > increases and it is,> buyers of these services
> > get
> > > > further and further>
> > > > removed from what it takes> to do it.OFten they
> > dont
> > > > even have a clue what>
> > > > information you need and dont> want to pay the
> > time
> > > > it takes to get it.> Its
> > > > getting worse as owners get more and more>
> > removed
> > > > from engineering and>
> > > > just want a turnkey product , but want to stick>
> > > > their fingers in the pie>
> > > > about how its getting done.> > Sticking our
> > > > collective heads in the sand
> > > > doesnt> help address and correct> the issues.
> > they
> > > > need to be openly
> > > > discussed and> REBUFFED for what they> are....
> > > > ignorance ,lack of knowledge
> > > > and lack of> understanding.> > > -----Original
> > > > Message-----> From: Michael
> > > > Waugh [mailto:mike@waudesign.com]> Sent: Sunday,
> > > > April 25, 2004 10:20 AM>
> > > > To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE:
> > > > [PipingDesign] New Current
> > > > Interesting> Link - Drawing on
> > > > Ex> > > Chris:> > I agree with your comments
> > and
> > > > thanks for your>
> > > > response.> > Regarding some of the original
> > subject
> > > > matter, is> the first
> > > > mistake made> when we even discriminate between
> > the
> > > > two? CAD has> been
> > > > around for say,> 10-15 years. Mechanical
> > > > engineeering (for> one)...many more
> > > > years. The> inclusion of CAD into these various
> > > > displines and> technical
> > > > sciences forces> changes and challenges to our
> > > > original concepts of> what it
> > > > today that make a> person educated or for that
> > > > matter qualified, in any>
> > > > particular field. It is> after all, the employer
> > > > that some sets these>
> > > > demands. The same applies to> materials. There
> > is
> > > > an overwelming aspect to
> > > > this> stuff, one that will never> be adressed by
> > > > downsizing and lumping>
> > > > responsibilities into one. Personally,> I like
> > to to
> > > > feel that I can tackle
> > > > sciences> "en-masse", realizing as well I> never
> > be
> > > > an expert at in one
> > > > particular area. > Probably the best lesson I>
> > got
> > > > at university, was
> > > > learning just how much I did> not know.
> > > > Managing the> level of understanding is the
> > key.> >
> > > > I was interviewing with
> > > > a company the other that> does work for
> > Tropicana.>
> > > > They initially wanted a
> > > > Project Manager, someone> with AutoCAD
> > experience
> > > > as> well as of course,
> > > > plant experience. Well, I fit the> mold. What
> > > > became> apparent, this company
> > > > was under some pressure> because whoever it was
> > > > they> were trying to
> > > > appease, was asking why they needed> to have
> > project
> > > > Manager> and a CAD guy.
> > > > The giveaway, "well, maybe we need to> consider
> > > > someone who> can do both"
> > > > Typical. Tropicana wants to save a> buck, and is
> > > > tiring> gettting billed for
> > > > both, by an engineering company> that has more
> > > > medals> than generals do.> >
> >
> === message truncated ===
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