Re: Tray support rings welded to the inside of an integally stainless stell cladded vessel.

From: <A.R.Mani>
Date: Tue Aug 09 2005 - 02:36:00 EDT


Dear Ranjiit

As far as I know the clad thickness is not brought into the strenght calculation of the cladded vessel , therefore all the pressure parts should be welded to the base metal , your case carbon steel.
The other reason which crosses my mind is that , in cladded vessels the internal fluid in contact with the clad is very corrosive for the outer layer (cs) , therefore , if there happens a leak through the clad it will corrode the carbon steel very fast.For example in Urea Plant the rate of corrosion of carbon steel in the vicinity of carbamate is 1000 mm per year , so suppose a time this occurs in your cladded vessel round the tray support attached to the clad , it would cause support and consequently tray failure. The welding procedure is also very important while welding the support to the vessel considering the buttering which is required round the support area which will be embeded in the stainless steel clad and also PWHT which might be required.
Therefore I recommend you to follow your client spec.

Hope the above would help

Cheers
Reza

ramanan ranjit <ranjitperu@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear All,
My question may be classified as an irrelevant one to this group as it is more or less related to pressure vessel fabrication rather than piping.However as I have not find any alternative at present but to ask this question in this forum. Please forgive me and allow me to ask this question.
We have a carbon steel vessel which is cladded internally with stainless steel( the cladding was done by explosion bonding).Our client specification states that anything welded to the inside of a cladded vessel shall be attached to the base metal(carbon steel)after peeling off the cladding and the area from where the cladding has been removed shall be filled with weld deposit.My question is that "is it really necessary to weld the relative light weight components like tray support ring to the base metal after peeling off the cladding which has been integrally bonded to the base metal by executing a metallic bonding during cladding operation?Also the bond shear strength of the clad metal has been established by bond shear test and the same is many times greater than that required to hold the tray support ring together with the trays and the entrained fluid as can be demonstrated by calculation. On the contrary removal of clad metal will lead to an area prone to more corrosion in addition to the undesierable chemistryand hardness produced at the weld deposited area.
I hope the experienced engineers in this forum will give more insight to elaborate my above explanation and in turn help me to convince our client in this matter.

thanking You in advance.
regards,
ranjit.



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