youre right, and as this all gets more complicated, when you go to a plant ot do a job, they bitch at the $5000 price tag.
UPON entering the facility they bog you down in procedural bullshit and
safety and co-ordination meetings that waste another 3/4day and the control
room says you cant have access etc etc for 2hrs (i've waited four days and
week in several instances) , and you are rushing around at 4pm trying to see
and gather info nobody can find.
Then you need a second day and they bitch cause youre now already
over budget and costing too much.
I'm not saying the requirements dont have merit, its just all become ridiculous and expectations unrealistic given reality.
> Hello Ralph
>
> Thanks for your insight although I didn't write the question.
>
> I blame the current overcomplication squarely on the computer and the
> internet. The amount of information immediately available on any given
> subject far exceeds the capability of any person to absorb it within a
> reasonable time.
>
> As an example, for the odd pressure vessel that I design, first I use a
> code written in the 1940s. For a simple vessel it takes about half an
> hour to do and the code is about A5 and probably 50 pages long. If the
> vessel needs certifying, we often use BS5500 here so I send my "design"
> off to my favourite BS5500/CAD software jockey who grinds it out in
> probably 2 days hard work, and sometimes he can save me 2mm shell
> thickness. Not once has it been necessary to strengthen. Then its off
> to the regulating authorities with a cheque and the CAD(design) printout
> so they can approve or request that the bleed hole on the saddles are
> tapped R1/4 instead of 1/4 NPT.
>
> When its all added up, something I can do for $50 winds up costing over
> $5000 due to regulation. Now I'm not saying regulation is unnecessary;
> quite the opposite. However I do feel regulations should be questioned
> repeatedly and discarded when not required or they can no longer answer
> the question.
>
> End of Sermon. And apologies. Guess who has been arguing with lawyers
> again?
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Sare, Ralph H.
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:02 PM
> To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PipingDesign] API and ASME Code
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> When u work in a production facility that deals not only with
> hydrocarbons but also with highly hazardous stuff and the work involves
> repair, alteration and rerating aside from maintaining and adding more
> equipment then on almost daily basis you deal with ASME, API, ISO and
> OSHA requirement.
>
> Decades ago prior to the publication of the API Inspection Code, all we
> got is the National Board Inspection Code NB-23. When OSHA PSM came out,
> the issue related to repair, alteration, modifcation and rerating makes
> the life of an engneer difficult but it also made them wiser because
> along the way we learn how to manage/mitigate risk. Then came the API
> Inspection Code delaing with changes related to Piping, Pressure Vessels
> and Storage Tanks already in-service and built/ design to ASME and API.
> This was followed by API 581 and 579.
>
> The engineering software followed suit. But then again ISO certs for
> quality and environment came along. Now you have the Code that deals
> with new and in-service equipment, the OSHA PSM, the ISO cert that needs
> to be maintained and of course the issue of controlling expense.
>
> Well piping works is not getting difficult over the years.They dont
> really. Its just that the work needed to comply with all this
> requirement is getting very very complicated. And Im getting old for
> this type of thing. Adios for now.
>
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