Re: Management System related to Piping Design

Thats OK with me Geoff and by the way merry christmas. When i say putting in place a managent system - i meant a system that works and subject to an independent audit/verification. A workable system is a system that is supported by management and that means providing the resources that it needed. It also means that the people believe in it, theyre properly trained and are aware of the consequences when they ignore it.

Investigation after investigation of major plant catastrophies reveal that in a lot of cases the root cause is the lack of a management system (that works).

Few more sleep and its 2006 - and hope that you guys have a prosperous new year. and if you have some extra change, please donate to the victims of tsunami - most are still suffering.

• In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Stone DD&D Australia <blenrayaust@y...> wrote:
  >
  > I hate to contradict you at this time of the year. One of the
  companies named has testing of their relief valves running six months behind schedule and the management have adopted a"higher risk profile" to accomodate. They are amking too much money with the price of petrol at the moment and wont allow a shutdown to proceed. Another is operating pressure vessels above their rated pressure and pops reflief valves when pumps stop at the other end of the pipeline.
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  > The fact that nothing has happened is pure luck. These big
  companies have all the paperwork but unless the troops are given the resources to follow the procedures its a waste of time.
  >
  > Geoff Stone
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  > tomcruz55 <tomcruz55@y...> wrote:
  > As with all management system - some are good and some are bad.
  But
  > Most do actually work (like ours and the likes of ExxonMobil,
  > Aramco, Shell, ICI to name a few). The proof is not only in the
  > earnings but also with the safety records. Do ISO 9000 works? It
  > sure does - so do ISO 14001.
  >
  >
  > Merry Christmas.
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  > --- In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Wright
  > <chrisw@s...> wrote:
  > >> Your underlying assumption, that the management system in
  fact
  > works,
  > > is hazy. Some work, some don't.
  > >
  > >
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