by the way, for those who are involved in design or engineering
practice - are you guys aware of the Normal Accident Theory?
The lack of interest of many regarding safety issues related to
design practice really surprises me.
- In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, "tomcruz55" <tomcruz55@y...>
wrote:
>
> Thats OK with me Geoff and by the way merry christmas. When i say
> putting in place a managent system - i meant a system that works
and
> subject to an independent audit/verification. A workable system is
a
> system that is supported by management and that means providing
the
> resources that it needed. It also means that the people believe in
> it, theyre properly trained and are aware of the consequences when
> they ignore it.
>
>
> Investigation after investigation of major plant catastrophies
> reveal that in a lot of cases the root cause is the lack of a
> management system (that works).
>
>
>
> Few more sleep and its 2006 - and hope that you guys have a
> prosperous new year. and if you have some extra change, please
> donate to the victims of tsunami - most are still suffering.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Stone DD&D Australia
> <blenrayaust@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I hate to contradict you at this time of the year. One of the
> companies named has testing of their relief valves running six
> months behind schedule and the management have adopted a"higher
risk
> profile" to accomodate. They are amking too much money with the
> price of petrol at the moment and wont allow a shutdown to
proceed.
> Another is operating pressure vessels above their rated pressure
and
> pops reflief valves when pumps stop at the other end of the
pipeline.
> >
> > The fact that nothing has happened is pure luck. These big
> companies have all the paperwork but unless the troops are given
the
> resources to follow the procedures its a waste of time.
> >
> > Geoff Stone
> >
> > tomcruz55 <tomcruz55@y...> wrote:
> > As with all management system - some are good and some are
bad.
> But
> > Most do actually work (like ours and the likes of ExxonMobil,
> > Aramco, Shell, ICI to name a few). The proof is not only in the
> > earnings but also with the safety records. Do ISO 9000 works? It
> > sure does - so do ISO 14001.
> >
> >
> > Merry Christmas.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Wright
> > <chrisw@s...> wrote:
> > >> Your underlying assumption, that the management system in
> fact
> > works,
> > > is hazy. Some work, some don't.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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