RE: tell me idea guys........

From: <ed>
Date: Wed Jan 10 2007 - 15:49:00 EST

Very informative website Chris......thank you !

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From: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=qv3qmrWD2EvehhWy59Qz7Z04WZHy7yapTHszsBuumpXDW3WAaIzaoiL2q5fuPPjlH4-ncUtgJeiPKNJ4v__XthdUscw9vg">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a> [mailto:PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Christopher Wright Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:59 PM To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=qv3qmrWD2EvehhWy59Qz7Z04WZHy7yapTHszsBuumpXDW3WAaIzaoiL2q5fuPPjlH4-ncUtgJeiPKNJ4v__XthdUscw9vg">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] tell me idea guys........

On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Mike Roble wrote:

> I agree. I, too, am new to the field, and when I see questions like
> that,
> lame or not, greeted like that, if makes me paranoid to ask any
> questions of
> my own. I've learned in my 11 years of working WITH pipers and 1 year
> working AS a piper, that this line of work is all a matter of "getting
> experience". "Piping" is not taught at schools, there's no courses,
> nothing.
> the only way to learn is by observing and/or asking questions and lots

> of
> them.

Useful point--how do you learn if you don't ask questions? The answer is that you don't, but you have to learn not to be a pain in the ass, or you'll get answers that are incomplete, or deliberately wrong or meaningless. Or you'll get brushed off or thrown out of the office. Asking questions takes a certain amount of native intelligence, communications skills some consideration and the ability to convince someone that you're serious about the answer. You also need to have an inner filter to tell you if you've truly learned what you need to know. In short you need to learn how to ask questions the smart way < http://www.catb. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>

The original poster ignored all the foregoing and came across as totally clueless. That's why he got brushed off. People on this list work for a living and they don't have the time to try to figure out what someone actually needs to know when they ask open-ended questions. There's no way to figure out what he knew or whether he'd taken the first step toward finding out, so trying to pose a real answer is damn near impossible.

I've been mentoring people since before most of the people on this list were toilet-trained, and I know what I'm talking about. In that time I've started to lose a little patience when someone half my age with half my experience gives me patronizing lectures about how to answer questions. Life sometimes gets rough around the edges--get used to it.

Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at chrisw@skypoint. <mailto:chrisw%40skypoint.com> com | this distance" (last words of Gen.

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