Re: NYC steam line rupture

From: <Steve>
Date: Mon Jul 23 2007 - 04:07:00 EDT


Remember there is every likelihood that there will already be condensate in the line downstream of the valve. People tend to forget that as a steam line cools, the pressure can often go below "ambient" This means the drainage steam traps wont work, and theres a nice little pond at the bottom of the pipe. There are nearly always low points where condensate can accumulate. The bend from a horizontal run to a vertical is a classic slug generation point. Once sufficient condensate is stacked up at the bend to block the gas path, its time to call the dry cleaners. The cold pipe and hot steam condensing will add to the problem. The superheat effect is unlikely to have much influence on things during the pipe warming phase as the majority of heat carried in the steam is normally latent. If lines arent warmed carefully you'll get hammer. Thats why operators warm them. Your question appears to suppose that saturated steam and water cannot coexist. They can and do in a boiler, for example. The most common causes I have encountered in condensate hammer incidents are boiler/evaporator priming, steam trap failure and inattention to line warmup procedures.

Cheers

Steve

Cheers

Steve

>From: Christopher Wright <chrisw@skypoint.com>
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>Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] NYC steam line rupture
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:05:44 -0500
>
>
>On Jul 21, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Steve McKenzie wrote:
>
> > Condensate hammer is often caused by opening valves which isolate
> > portions
> > of a circuit.
>Just so I understand--I've got two sections of pipe with a closed
>valve between. One section contains 200 psi superheated steam; the
>other is unpressurized and at some lower temperature. You open the
>valve and the incoming steam condenses as it enters and the
>condensate hurled around by entering steam before it condenses. Seems
>like a very fine line since you need to have superheated stem in
>direct contact with condensate. All this has to happen before the
>incoming steam condenses or the condensate heats up. Have I left
>something out?
>
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>.......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania
>1864)
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