Regarding Intellectual property rights or similar topics :
There will always be two parties -
One party will gain by denying the fruits Other party will gain by 'sharing / theft' etc..
Now, the rules of the game are decided and interpreted by the stronger parties. They will change/modify/ interpret as per their interest and even distort facts to suit that end.
In 1800's, as mentioned, America could do whatever suited it (i.e., ignoring intellectual property rights) and Britain was unable to do anything about it. Now it suits America etc.. to do the opposite and being powerful, they can do it.
Even some of these 'Researchers' are even 'patenting' traditional common knowledge like use of Turmeric, Neem etc. which are being used by Indians for their medicinal values for minimum 3000 years !!!!
So, take it easy. Weaker parties will always be at the receiving end. And if China and India develops and patents a huge knowledge base, they might join the 'intellectual property rights' bandwagon too.
Regards
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This same string of logic was used by Americans as it regarded publications copyrighted by English Authors during the 1800's. However as America developed its own intellectual property the story changed to what we have today we protect our intellectual propert.
The moral of this is those that stand to lose more by theft then they gain by stealing will change their story. India, China, Pakistan et. al. feel they have more to gain by theft, eventually they will lose more to theft. When somebody starts stealing their intellectual property they will change their opinions.
Best Regards,
John C. Luf
Cleveland Ohio U.S.A when I'm not in Austria
Member B31.3, Piping Engineer - Stress Analysis, Pipe Supports, Component Design, and Surge Analysis... according to my daughters master of unimportant trivia
>If you see a pdf file offered that is a copy of one of these
> publications you will know that someone
> has broken the law.
>And if it's offered on this list, the offeror will be summarily removed.
This discussion is leading to that age-old debate on IPR (Intellectual
Property Rights). People are indignant that some bloke round the corner is
offering bootleg versions of such exalted pieces of intellectual work.
It is a different matter that someone who immediately needed these
references just has to know the use of a search engine to be able to
download the counterfeit e-book. Such a person would have referred the
applicable clause, applied it and moved on, leaving the rest of the forum to
chew over the fine matters of law and propriety.
Now look at the possibility that a legal version is available on CD for $27
or better still at $2.70 instead of $270 (annual Per capita income of many
countries does not reach 4 digits). The same person would visit the store
and make a purchase without pausing once, in the face of such heart warming
prices.
Couple of years back, I visited a country littoral to the Persian Gulf. On
a trip to a corner store, I was aghast to find latest versions of nearly all
expensive technical books and software on sale at the price of a hot-dog
each. A visit to a pharmacy later and I found life-saving drugs on sale at
prices which wouldn't cover cost of packaging them in the USA.
I confess that instead of feeling sorry for the fortune companies that
market the SW/medicines or Authors and their huge publishing houses, I
actually envied the denizens of that country on their ease of access to
these treasures.
It is laudable and appropriate that the originator of an idea should benefit
from it. His toil to bring his work to life should surely be rewarded. Now
to what extent is the moot question? By making obscene profits and loading
costs incurred at enforcing monopoly, leads to someone round the corner
breaking the so-called 'law'.
Whose law and what law? Nobody knows. Laws and concepts of right and wrong
change with times, geographic location and community. In my country I will
get arrested and punished heavily if I take a second wife. I can however
marry multiple times and perfectly legally just by changing my religion.
Having done that I can return to my earlier religion along with the 'harem'
and proclaim that I am a law abiding citizen.
I am sure that something which the Americans call illegal is a perfectly
acceptable norm in the gulf country I mentioned and probably elsewhere. USA
itself throws the law book out of the window when its interests get
threatened (e.g. allowing drugs under IPR dispute manufactured by an Indian
company in the face of Anthrax threat, something totally illegal a day
earlier).
There is a thriving second hand book market in India. I am sure that China
and several other countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America would be no
different. Acquiring a book in mint condition means the trader, Author and
Publisher make money. I buy it as a used book and only the trader profits. I
can however not sell or buy a software used earlier by someone else. That
would be illegal and I can be prosecuted.
I find it funny that things like "Yoga" or the "Turmeric" so much a part of
Indian life since ages get patented in the USA. So if I buy Indian turmeric
for cooking Indian curry in India or for that matter practice Yoga, I am
probably doing something illegal if I do not pay that guy holding the dear
patent in the USA.
Let me quote from the "Vedas" (before they get patented or copyrighted by
someone in California):
"It can not be stolen, the king can not confiscate or tax it and this
treasure increases all the more with sharing.
Knowledge truly is the highest form of wealth"
Sanjay Laturkar
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www.proconindia. com
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