RE: Ortho''s / keys Drawings

Well voiced Paul. I'm sure that there is a lot of truth to what you've said. I hope I don't sound critical. I really am curious as to what prompts this type of question and enlightenment as to what the juniors are up against.

Richard B

-----Original Message-----
From: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Bowers
Sent: December 12, 2007 8:46 PM
To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Ortho's / keys Drawings

I've found from working in different companies that CAD Support doesn't always teach these things, and I'm not sure they should. CAD support should have the software creator's documentation readily available on the company's intranet for training/self-learning purposes.

For some reason, software creators' documentation is often incomplete. Admittedly, keeping up with patches, revisions, clarifications and the like make it hard for a vendor to continually update their documentation

for their customers.

I could tell you some interesting stories...

On the other hand, sometimes smaller shops will hire an "AutoPlant person" with years of experience and expect them to be able to install, configure, customize (eg., write/modify custom client specs), etc. and run the program(s) over a network. Maybe this is the case here.

From personal experience, I know that sometimes software setups are done by "some guy" (and largely undocumented or documented haphazardly in an obscure location) that no longer is employed by the company and the organization hobbles along by taking the band-aid approach to software problems. I also know that preventing fires by creating a long-term plan to avoid having them happen in the first place is difficult to do if you're always running around putting out fires.

Paul

Richard Beale wrote:
> Not to dismiss your request, but all this type of question does for me
> is make me stare in amazement and shake my head. Help me out here,
> because while we all love to help and share ideas, I believe this
forum
> is to further our piping knowledge, not to make up for the
shortcomings
> of poorly run companies or laziness on an individuals part. Sajit's
> question is a case in point (see Pipeline leak repair) of a specific
> very focused question and helpful responses. One that I will follow
with
> intrigue, and learn much.
>
> So, please enlighten me:
> Isn't there a CAD support group where you work that can walk you
through
> this?
> Are you asking because your level of understanding is on the junior
> side, but non-the-less you'd like to contribute?
> Hasn't your supervisor arranged adequate training?
> Have you been cut loose with no resources and after extensive effort
on
> your part, bugging people at work, reading your manual from cover to
> cover, come up empty handed.
> Are you concerned that your supervisor will fire you if you ask
"stupid"
> questions?
>
> Believe it or not I'm serious. You're not the only one who has asked a
> question that should easily be answered by a little digging on your
own.
> And you wouldn't be the first chastened for being too basic. If the
> answer is that you have researched and your boss is worthless, I'd be
> interested to know. It may be that all too often the seniors amongst
us
> are quick to criticize. Do tell. I also open this to the the other
> junior members. Are your companies and/or supervisors really letting
you
> down this badly? Shed some light guys as I for one am curious and
maybe,
> just maybe, you'd get a better reception in the future. Not
necessarily
> in the way of a problem solved answer, but more in the way of
> mentorship.
>
> Regards to all,
> Richard B
> Calgary, Canada
>
>
> From: PipingDesign@ <mailto:PipingDesign%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com [mailto:PipingDesign@
<mailto:PipingDesign%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of MICHAEL JOHNSON
> Sent: December 12, 2007 12:02 PM
> To: PipingDesign@ <mailto:PipingDesign%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PipingDesign] Ortho's / keys Drawings
>
>
>
> Hello Designer's Im using Auto Plant, and I need to make some ortho's
> and key Drawings, I need a Tutorial on how to make one, any help
> please..

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Received on Wed Dec 12 23:43:00 2007