Yes, Imeant Autotrol. It was a cad package back in the late '70's, early
'80's. It was work station based, but operated from a mainframe. The company
was based in Denver, and no, it does not exist any more.
Darrel Marshall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hoffpauir" <jhoffpauir@recon-group.com>
To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: [PipingDesign] RE: [Piping Design] Tirade
I have been receiving résumé's and work searches from various locations. I
don't know how this started but I am not in a personnel position, strictly a
designer with a small firm. Can I be removed from this mailing list?
-----Original Message-----
From: ll bean [mailto:tabletop98@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:10 PM
To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=sPVsmj7hcmilVXq-2DPt_aKuu1mqevtP_XtLA0dy8JTu_KN3bU2MpytWqE8nyIZNtK3nNR__B0k43DXThvKqaF17WxPS">PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com</a>
Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Tirade
hello Darrel Marshall,
did you mean to say autotrol or was that a mistype?
todd
- Darrel Marshall <piper170@home.com> wrote:
> Paul, I'm new to www.PipingDesign, but I've been in
> the discipline 1 yr, 25
> times. I've been in Cad off and on for 20 yrs,
> starting with antiquated
> Autotrol in 1979, IBM Cadam in the early 80's and
> the last 8 or 9 on
> Autocad, with a learn on my own Rebis package for
> about 2 mos. I would kill
> to go back on the board again. I'm leaving Uncle Al
> (Alcoa) the end of May
> and moving to WYO, but will probably have to work in
> Denver area, if I can
> find work.
> Everything I can do on Cad, I can do just as fast
> on the board, and I can
> make a better looking(functional) drawing. Cad has
> taken the individuality
> out of piping drawings, and hasn't added one
> advantage to getting the
> project done, if you've got good fitters that know
> how to read a drawing. I
> can still make 20 spools a day, and when the fitters
> are done, they can
> throw those drawings away. The pipe will go in as
> drawn.
> I'm an old hand, and miss the old days. The only
> thing Cad has as an
> advantage with is drawing storage space. (and
> sometimes editing, but that
> depends on who made the original drawing).
> I know a few who feel the same way, but feel they
> have to learn Cad, like
> me. Do you know that engineers coming out of college
> aren't even required to
> take drafting anymore. They don't know what they
> want until they see it on
> paper, then they send it to the sales reps.
> Yes, I'm old style, but today at work, the
> humidity was perfect, and the
> lead would have made a great looking drawing.
> <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=_1jlnoyoKuRizFnfuNEadKhwvUeFuWvw8p7avUtaYIL-1TIfJgcQ0fUb8WC05Ie9GHOm-OQOwWAGpAE">piper1701@home.com</a>
>
>
> Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Bowers" <pbowers@pipingdesign.com>
> To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:59 PM
> Subject: [PipingDesign] Tirade
>
>
> > Is anyone else fed up with CAD as used for piping
> design?
> >
> > Back in the old fart days, a draftsman/designer
> had all the skills
> > s/he needed, and was able to move from job to job.
> Now, the
> > discipline is fragmented into little slices of
> Rebis/PDS/PDMS.
> > Whatever happened to piping design as a
> discipline, anyway?
> >
> > I don't want to start a major argument, but
> sometimes I'd rather
> > go back to the board.
> >
> > I feel like pitching a competition between a bunch
> of CAD guys vs.
> > experienced old-timers. All things being equal, I
> think I know
> > who'd win.
> >
> > Of course, criteria would have to be set first,
> taking into
> > account the advantages and disadvantaged of each
> team. Any takers?
> > (think R&D tax credit status)
> >
> >
> > Paul, using my bully pulpit
> >
> >
> >
> >
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