Ralph, you're right on!
We are a Design & Build Company and Iso 9001 Certified. A.) Any Drawing Revision(s) by our Engineering Department must have the following information :
1.) Revision number 2.) What the revision is about (clouding revision(s) is a must) 3.) Who did the drawing revision(Design Engineer) 4.) Who initiated the revision, e.g. Engineering, shop , field or client.
B.) After going thru Quality check within the Engineering Department,
stamped copies are
sent to the Fabrication Shop, Job Site and Proj. Mgr., etc. with letter of
transmittal
and Drawing Distribution list showing all the Project Drawings and their
latest revision status.
C.) The Shop, Job site and Proj. Mgr. send back a signed copy of the
transmittal
after verification that each Department have the latest updated copies of
the construction drawings.
All Drawing revision records are kept in the Engineering Department.
That was then........we are now implementing as a part of the 2000 Standards
: That any procedure
must show continuous improvement.
So at this time, we are tracking the number of revisions on the drawings, by
who are initiating the
revisions and trying to minimize the number of revisions. A Percentage
Revision Goal is set and
must show continuous improvement on this goal. Anytime a major infraction on
this set goal occurs,
the revision source and cause(s) is determined and solution(s) proposed
subject to Quality Control
Committee approval. These are all accomplished by submitting a "Corrective
Action Request Form (CAR)".
What goes thru inside Quality Control Committee for CAR approvals is another story .........another day.
-----Original Message-----
From: SARE, RALPH H. [mailto:SARERH@YANPET.SABIC.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:29 AM
To: 'PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] About ISO...and CAD
From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
As far as I know, ISO requirements are simply that there exists a document handling process and that there is a document trail that can be followed by the auditor to ensure that said processes have been followed. Please correct me if I've gotten this part wrong.
In other words, Joan Cad makes a revision to a 3D piping model (she doesn't have to conform to any ISO stuff at this point, since everything she does is logged by the computer) and saves the drawing to the network. ISO only comes into effect when the drawings/CAD files enter the system in order to reach a key stage prior to release as official documents to be released (for comments, checking, approval, etc.).
***Nope. The moment Joan Cad touches her workstation, her every action related to her job responsibilities is "govern" by the ISO quality management system. opening cad file with the intent to review, edit or create falls under the edms protocl. Its all part of the workflow process - a mechanism that moves a work item from its initial entry point to another state or between states up to its final state (closeout and record retention).
Since the long-critical job of checker* for piping design work has effectively been eliminated by software (as someone else on this list has already noted), the document moves along to a higher-level software program which picks out the anomolies, disconnects, and digital problems. Then, the document goes up the tree to the chief piping engineer for signing. At this point, the chief piping engineer doesn't really have the time to review the drawings fully, so they are signed-off anyway.
***Nope. As ive said before, ISO is heavy on written procedure. This part of the designer activity is covered by ISO Section 4.2.3 Control of Documents. What the content management software such as EDMS does is simply move the documents electronically. During the review process it undergoes a squad check (peer review using his/her desktop in mulitple layers) then its
pass on to the Design Supervisor. If the Supervisor accepted it then its pass on to the Engineer. At this stage, document is ready to be issued for review and comments to others who have a stake in the project usch as Production and Process. The good thing about this process is that all users are notified if there is a change or the process is completed - all done electronically. Signoff for all controlled documents (such as drawings) are tracked, relationships and links are created and activity logged - full traceability. Only when this has been satisfied is the hardcopy drawing issued for construction (IFC).
There seems to be a disconnect here, in that a key stage of the usual (read: old) process has been eliminated.
***There is no disconnect. Allow me to quote what an EDMS can do (taken fom their manual)
1. Employees know what projects they are working on and what they must do. 2. Project leaders know what needs to be done and who will do it. 3. Employess and project leaders know what parts are affected. ____________________________________________________________________________
> >We compare and trend previous performance on quarterly basis.
> > Copies are printed and distrubuted down to the line supervisors at year
end
> > Great. What do the trends actually signify? > > _________________________
and now to your questions.
How much better are your products? They're the same. What we have acheived
is reduction in the offspec material and improvement in the on-stream
factor. Result is increase in profit. Shareholders/customer are happy.
How do you know you're measuring the right things? Very good question. Benchmarking and Gap Analysis is the answer. This in turn provided the metrics/KPI's. You dont really know where you stand unless you can measure it.
How much better is your engineering?
This is difficult to answer. Let me say there is still some resistance to
change. or let me say that we have not yet gotten our money back with the
investment that has been made so far.
Does ISO900x implementation affect your ability to innovate? ISO 9001:2000 is strictly a quality management issue. I dont think that this is the tool to foster innovation most espcially when faced with compliance.
Done anything your competition might call a breakthrough? Nope> . breaktorugh is cutting edge without precedence and is our normally acheived in an the environment where rules are almost non-existent. Creative people are not hampered by rules and procedure and they work better in garage - the likes of Skunkworks, Pixar animation team and Lucas light and magic. Mass producing the "breakthrough" you need the ISO. In my line of work, i dont want the people working for me to be creative and innovative. I want them to think out of the box when confronted with a difficult problem but without breaking the rules (specs, procedure and codes). We simply cann ot afford to. The end result might be disastrous and catastropic.
I'm jerking your chain for the sake of argument, Ralph, not taking shots. > But I'm still persuaded that ISO900x appeals to bean-counting not real > product improvement.
That's OK. Ive got my ass chewed a lot of times and been jerk left and right by a many contractors and fabricators. As Christopher has said before - it takes determination to make it happen else its just another damn procedure.
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