Not brave, just acknowledging (sp?) reality.
I use open source all the time, and have actually successfully contributed to some efforts.
The "Coca-Cola Factor" will be disappearing soon, as geeks realize that they actually have a say. If you look at comment-driven websites such as Slashdot, you can see the future of electronic communication.
Paul
> Brave words Paul
>
> Arent you overlooking the Coca cola factor? - Dont worry about the product
> quality, but sure as hell dont skimp on the marketting budget.
>
> As the man said: "Dont give the client any old rubbish; analyse his needs,
> study his wants. And then give him any old rubbish."
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve McKenzie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Bowers [mailto:pbowers@pipingdesign.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:40 AM
> To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Re: Stress calculation
>
>
> Here's a message I sent earlier today to "another, related mailing list"
> which hasn't yet been approved by their moderator:
>
> =======================================================
> I would suggest that commercial programs (as they exist now, the
"high-end"
> stuff) are going to be on the way out within the next 10 years. This will
> happen because of the increased usage of open source software running on
> Linux. The money will be made by offering services/support associated with
> the software - much as Linux works now. Most users would need the paid
> support, but the truly dedicated and knowlegeable could go it alone.
>
> After all, the only proprietary bits about most software is the user
> interface; it's not like the underlying, basic calculations are protected
by
> copyright.
>
> Then again, that's just my thinking, and I'm not (currently) a Linux user.
> =======================================================
>
> Posts to this PipingDesign forum are never edited and only SPAM is
deleted.
>
> Paul
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Paulin" <tony@paulin.com>
> To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Re: Stress calculation
>
>
> > Re: Comments on developing pipe software.
> >
> > For the three industrial pipe stress programs I've been associated with,
> the
> > ratio of analysis code to User Interface (UI) code is very roughly about
> 10
> > or 20 times to 1, but takes considerably longer to write because the
> > developer has to think about everything that a user can do wrong. At
the
> > analysis level, the majority of errors are already trapped.
> >
> > UI"s today must often be graphical, and manipulating the often
tremendous
> > amount of data associated with a steam line, supports, and associated
> steel
> > for example, in a graphical/textural fashion can be daunting on the
> variety
> > of graphics devices available, i.e. 640x480 ... to ...
> >
> > Nonlinear supports and restraints on curved pipe also provide some
> > difficulties when starting with an existing FEA code. The public domain
> > codes often don't include adequate boundary nonlinearities or spring
> design
> > algorithms and require considerable up-front manipulation of the curved
> beam
> > elements.
> >
> > Then there's always the three parts of any business.
> > 1) Producing the Product
> > 2) Marketing the Product
> > 3) Managing the Business
> >
> > In my own small world, I find that engineers are often good at the
first,
> > think they're good at the second, and can't understand why it takes more
> > than an idiot to do the third, ... but then I look at who's making most
> of
> > the money.
> >
> > Regards,
> > A. Paulin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher Wright" <chrisw@skypoint.com>
> > To: "?" <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Re: Stress calculation
> >
> >
> > > >Problem #1: finding the software, if it exists. It neednt be a piping
> > > >program; just one with a compatible I/O, database, processing format.
> > > This is the easiest thing. Plenty of simple FEA programs around. That
> can
> > > handle piping
> > >
> > > >Problem #2: finding members who have the time to commit and the
> > > >patience to wait for a usable solution.
> > > Harder, because the members who have the time may not have the
necessary
> > > expertise.
> > >
> > > >Problem #3: Finding a coordinator to decide the architecture, split
> > > >it up,farm it out and then pull it all together again .
> > > Hardest. Deciding on architecture and needed features, especially
people
> > > who don't know about programming, is a nightmare. Everyone wants
> > > everything and they want it now. You'll need to take a general
> > >
> > > >I am quite sure some clients would be absolutely
> > > >horrified to see the amount of absolutely erroneous crap such
> > > >programs can produce.
> > > The program produces what it's told. Crap production isn't limited to
> > > computer software. The best crap production comes from people trying
to
> > > sell stuff. Nothing like combined ignorance and greed to provide super
> > > crap. You're right of course, but you deal with computerized crap like
a
> > > chicken deals with a cow pie--sort the edible stuff out and enjoy...
;->> > > >from the spikes, which apparently dont matter.
> > >
> > > >I was quite frankly appalled. Beautiful printouts, however. Apart
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