Dear Dr A Seibi
Nice to hear from you after such a long time.
Rusayl institute is organising anothet Piping
Inspection and Pressure Vessel inspection program for
engineers in May 2004. It is as per API 510 and 570.
Oil & Gas field and refinery engineers may
participate. I hope that such programs are helpful for
total and proper understanding of the health and
reliability of the process plants and piping system
particularly. i wish if some more discussions are
generated on thos forum on the subject.
N. K. Roy
- "Dr.A.Seibi" <aseibi@squ.edu.om> wrote:
> Dear Roy,
>
> Hope that everything is fine with you. Are you
> coming to Muscat in the near
> future? Please advise. I need a copy of the newly
> published book related
> to project management.
>
> Your prompt reply will be highly appreciated.
>
> A. Seibi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Narendra Roy" <narendra_roy@yahoo.com>
> To: <PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 5:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] New Current Interesting
> Link - Drawing on Ex
>
>
> > You may try again www.gramya.com
> >
> >
> > NK Roy
> >
> >
> > --- Michael Waugh <mike@waudesign.com> wrote:
> > > I dont believe your link workd below. May want
> to
> > > check.
> > >
> > > Mike Waugh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Narendra Roy
> [mailto:narendra_roy@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:26 PM
> > > To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [PipingDesign] New Current
> Interesting
> > > Link - Drawing on Ex
> > >
> > >
> > > It is turning out to be discussion on wider
> aspects,
> > > the total project
> > > management which covers the Piping Design as a
> part,
> > > may be an important
> > > part.If I have not forgotten the subject, it
> seems I
> > > have authored a book on
> > > Project Management ( Indian Scenario) some 4
> years
> > > back and was recieved
> > > well by the professionals in India and even
> > > abroad.Now I understand the
> > > importance of the role of the project manager
> better
> > > when a piping design
> > > group discusses in such details worldwide
> > > appreciating the managers role.
> > > Any body having interest in the book may refer
> the
> > > website
> > > www.gramya.comThanksNK Roy--- Al wrote:> some
> > > really excellent points from
> > > mike;> > H'es right on the money. The role of
> > > managing a> project doing the>
> > > calculations and doing the detail designwork are
> > > all> value added essential>
> > > roles. Many clients try to role them all into
> one.>
> > > On a very small project>
> > > its possible with a rare and very skilled>
> > > practictioner.> The time it takes
> > > to communicate, get the real> picture,
> > > collect the> information, and keep going down
> the
> > > right track is> an
> > > invaluable role and> cannot be trivialized. Ever
> > > noticed how on the other>
> > > side the buyer/owner> calls up , communicates ,
> asks
> > > questions, gives>
> > > feedback and direction or> wants input or
> project
> > > updates and is all doing
> > > this> on his companies (paid)> time.> When you
> try
> > > to add manhours for these
> > > tasks, or put> it on your bill, they> only want
> to
> > > pay for the time "on the>
> > > board/computer"/ producing the calc or> the
> piece of
> > > paper. Somehow the
> > > other> equally (if not more) important stuff has
> no>
> > > recompensory value,
> > > only in> their time. IT is just ignorance
> > > (sometimes> deliberate on thier
> > > part). They> sure bitch if things go astray or
> off
> > > track.> > This is where a
> > > good manager/PE shines and there are> some (not
> many
> > > ) out> there. Attempts
> > > by owners to subvert bypass role> into one
> > > overloaded> individual and
> > > shortcut all that, or mishandling it> by poor
> > > co-ordinating> skills is just
> > > asking for trouble. And that
> > > happens> lots.> > Why are we discussing this;
> > > because as expectations> get
> > > higher and they are,> things get more complex
> and
> > > they are, accountability>
> > > increases and it is,> buyers of these services
> get
> > > further and further>
> > > removed from what it takes> to do it.OFten they
> dont
> > > even have a clue what>
> > > information you need and dont> want to pay the
> time
> > > it takes to get it.> Its
> > > getting worse as owners get more and more>
> removed
> > > from engineering and>
> > > just want a turnkey product , but want to stick>
> > > their fingers in the pie>
> > > about how its getting done.> > Sticking our
> > > collective heads in the sand
> > > doesnt> help address and correct> the issues.
> they
> > > need to be openly
> > > discussed and> REBUFFED for what they> are....
> > > ignorance ,lack of knowledge
> > > and lack of> understanding.> > > -----Original
> > > Message-----> From: Michael
> > > Waugh [mailto:mike@waudesign.com]> Sent: Sunday,
> > > April 25, 2004 10:20 AM>
> > > To: PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE:
> > > [PipingDesign] New Current
> > > Interesting> Link - Drawing on
> > > Ex> > > Chris:> > I agree with your comments
> and
> > > thanks for your>
> > > response.> > Regarding some of the original
> subject
> > > matter, is> the first
> > > mistake made> when we even discriminate between
> the
> > > two? CAD has> been
> > > around for say,> 10-15 years. Mechanical
> > > engineeering (for> one)...many more
> > > years. The> inclusion of CAD into these various
> > > displines and> technical
> > > sciences forces> changes and challenges to our
> > > original concepts of> what it
> > > today that make a> person educated or for that
> > > matter qualified, in any>
> > > particular field. It is> after all, the employer
> > > that some sets these>
> > > demands. The same applies to> materials. There
> is
> > > an overwelming aspect to
> > > this> stuff, one that will never> be adressed by
> > > downsizing and lumping>
> > > responsibilities into one. Personally,> I like
> to to
> > > feel that I can tackle
> > > sciences> "en-masse", realizing as well I> never
> be
> > > an expert at in one
> > > particular area. > Probably the best lesson I>
> got
> > > at university, was
> > > learning just how much I did> not know.
> > > Managing the> level of understanding is the
> key.> >
> > > I was interviewing with
> > > a company the other that> does work for
> Tropicana.>
> > > They initially wanted a
> > > Project Manager, someone> with AutoCAD
> experience
> > > as> well as of course,
> > > plant experience. Well, I fit the> mold. What
> > > became> apparent, this company
> > > was under some pressure> because whoever it was
> > > they> were trying to
> > > appease, was asking why they needed> to have
> project
> > > Manager> and a CAD guy.
> > > The giveaway, "well, maybe we need to> consider
> > > someone who> can do both"
> > > Typical. Tropicana wants to save a> buck, and is
> > > tiring> gettting billed for
> > > both, by an engineering company> that has more
> > > medals> than generals do.> >
>
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Received on Mon Apr 26 04:19:00 2004