geez geoff I'm sure releived to hear someone saying this. I thought i was
going nuts.
I cant tell you the number of screw ups ive had to fix after huge money was
wasted and
work was paid for that was c...p ... and then they want an even cheaper fix
and the money is gone. Everybody is behind the eight ball , time, money,
schedule, and the fixes suddenly have all sorts of impacts.. cant do this,
cant do that. Youre quickly the bad guy then asking for what should have
been done in the first place and the cost is now WAY higher....
..but hey in accounting terms you can have three newbies for the price of one. >>>3x more profitable right. Unfortunately the bullies dont disappear.
> Hi Jack & Ralph,
>
> Very good points but you have it easy in the petro chem field. try the
mining or water and wastewater industries. There the cowboys would use
knotted string, bluetak and velcro if they could get away with it.
>
> On top of that every bright eyed and bushy tailed young engineer has a
wonderful way of cutting corners and ending up costing a fortune. they will
try and save $10 in the field and it ends up costing thousands in
engineering and redrafting costs, let alone fixing the f... up later.
>
> Keep up the "pressure" so that those with bright ideas just build whats in
fornt of them in the design and not go looking for the cheap way out. If
they have bright ideas tell them to get themselves downtown into the design
office, onto standards committees and learn why they are not so bright.
>
> As engineers we should be telling the "beanies" to shove off or do the
design themselves when they demand cost cutting in materials. They are only
bullies and all bullies are cowards. They will soon disappear if you leave
it to them to fix for they have no idea.
>
> Geoff
>
> Jack Osborn <jhosborn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Ralph....
>
> ....just wanted to chime in (but not to complain.....smile). I think
> you've hit on something that many people have talked about, the
> complications of every day tasks, It seems that we have a difficult
> time managing the technology. With all the complexities of our
> so-called modern world (especially considering some of the things
> you've outlined below), it takes a tremendous amount of discretion
> and foresight to push back on what is complicated but really need not
> be. Having the technology is useful, but it allowing it spiral into
> a complex process when it fact it can be made simpler is something
> that needs to be monitored by everyone involved. ....Kind of like
> being able to see the forest, despite the trees.
>
> I know I am always complaining (me?....just don't ask the other folks
> in the group) that even what people think are the simplest of tasks,
> can be mind boggling complicated. I know our project teams, which
> can be spread out through out the country, or the world, have trouble
> getting a set of documents for the project to print as a submittal to
> clients, this requires a Phd in plotting and CAD. I drives me nuts
> (I know...short drive.....). After a while, I start to see the real
> value in people who can strip out the nonsense and glean just the
> necessary. Whether it is running a plant, maintaining the piping and
> pumps of a process, or getting a set of documents and plans together,
> every step is chalk full of overly complicated tasks.
>
> ....just a simple minded person I guess....(one of my pet peeves....)
>
> Jack
>
>
> At 11:40 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>
> >increasing the production rate) or simplying reducing the incident rate.
> >
> >With all these ERP, CMMS, high cost engineering software, ISO
certification,
> >enviromental release, meeting project schedules, safety audits, keeping
the
> >expense down etc etc - what was once a simple engineering undertaking
> >(like piping) has just gone way way very complicated. Is this true with
> >others? Or its justme.
> >
> >
> >----------
>
> :-)
> Jack Osborn, PE
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> MWH Global
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