Re: Management System related to Piping Design

by the way, for those who are involved in design or engineering practice - are you guys aware of the Normal Accident Theory?

The lack of interest of many regarding safety issues related to design practice really surprises me.

• In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, "tomcruz55" <tomcruz55@y...> wrote:
  >
  > Thats OK with me Geoff and by the way merry christmas. When i say
  > putting in place a managent system - i meant a system that works
  and
  > subject to an independent audit/verification. A workable system is
  a
  > system that is supported by management and that means providing
  the
  > resources that it needed. It also means that the people believe in
  > it, theyre properly trained and are aware of the consequences when
  > they ignore it.
  >
  >
  > Investigation after investigation of major plant catastrophies
  > reveal that in a lot of cases the root cause is the lack of a
  > management system (that works).
  >
  >
  >
  > Few more sleep and its 2006 - and hope that you guys have a
  > prosperous new year. and if you have some extra change, please
  > donate to the victims of tsunami - most are still suffering.
  >
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  > --- In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Stone DD&D Australia
  > <blenrayaust@y...> wrote:
  > >
  > > I hate to contradict you at this time of the year. One of the
  > companies named has testing of their relief valves running six
  > months behind schedule and the management have adopted a"higher
  risk
  > profile" to accomodate. They are amking too much money with the
  > price of petrol at the moment and wont allow a shutdown to
  proceed.
  > Another is operating pressure vessels above their rated pressure
  and
  > pops reflief valves when pumps stop at the other end of the
  pipeline.
  > >
  > > The fact that nothing has happened is pure luck. These big
  > companies have all the paperwork but unless the troops are given
  the
  > resources to follow the procedures its a waste of time.
  > >
  > > Geoff Stone
  > >
  > > tomcruz55 <tomcruz55@y...> wrote:
  > > As with all management system - some are good and some are
  bad.
  > But
  > > Most do actually work (like ours and the likes of ExxonMobil,
  > > Aramco, Shell, ICI to name a few). The proof is not only in the
  > > earnings but also with the safety records. Do ISO 9000 works? It
  > > sure does - so do ISO 14001.
  > >
  > >
  > > Merry Christmas.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > --- In PipingDesign@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Wright
  > > <chrisw@s...> wrote:
  > > >> Your underlying assumption, that the management system in
  > fact
  > > works,
  > > > is hazy. Some work, some don't.
  > > >
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