Advise to this email initiator:
The subject line "tell me idea guys........" is a bad choice. Use appropriate heading. The subject should have key words of your message to get the reader curiosity and attention.
Cheers,
"umesh k.n." <umesh_kn@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
I know there are people, who ask hi-fi technical questions without doing any homework & sometimes without knowing what they are asking.. In such case bashing or brushing off is good & acceptableâ¦that will make him to think for next questions..
I donât think Shankar did any mistake in seeking adviceâ¦Cause he himself made clear that he is a fresh graduate..For example melvin_magbanua@yahoo.com (Mail mug) send an answer for that question..that is quite OK.
And saying about meâ¦half of the age..i donât think so..wrong guess..Half of the experienceâ¦wrong againâ¦By the wayâ¦age is not true measure..for that matter donkeys get aged..I have seen sharp 20+ freshers and dumb 60+ engineers..
To Shankar and other similar freshers to piping fieldâ¦
Here is one of the right answersâ¦though it cost me 100$ to write.. Now after
writing this
good mail, people (so called experts) try to find silly mistakes to prove
something or should I say "nothing"
First few things you HAVE to do:
A. Donât throw away following books/notes of your Engineering collage.. 1. Mechanics & Strength of materials 2. Engineering materials or Material science/engineering 3. Hydraulics or fluid power dynamics 4. Heat transfer & thermodynamics 5. Machine design or Mechanical system design. 6. Corrosion engineering (If you have thatsubject) B. Visit a technical bookshop & buy/Collect the following technical books 1. Process plant layout & piping design by roger huntI like it because it is simple & has good explanations.. 2. The piping guide by David R. sherwood & Dennis J. whistance I like it because it is more pictorial.. 3. Piping Handbook: Mohinder L. Nayyar
Secondly few things you have to understand.. Part A: Defining scope of Piping engineering is quite difficult. Cause it is vast. Process piping, off shore piping, under ground piping, sub sea piping, cross country piping, Nuclear piping, Mineral industry piping, Lined piping, Low temp & high temperature piping. List goes on. Said that most probably you will enter process-piping field, so concentrate on Book no 6 mentioned above
Part B: Importance of piping, In case of normal plant (No specially built, high cost equipments) piping (design, engineering, erection, testing, rework etc) constitutes 30% to 45% plant total cost. Hence, if you use a good design & engineering practice, right away you could save 5% of plant cost (3% saving always exists). If you calculate this amount, it is huge & hence proper importance should be given to piping at all stages.
Part C: Importance and limitations of advanced 3D modelling tools. There are many 3D modelling softwares used widely in the piping industry. PDS, PDMS, Bentley etc. Donât rush to learn these softwares thinking that that is Piping. If you get an opportunity learn it. They are good tools, but a tool is good only when the operator knows how to use it & how intelligently it can be used. If you know piping design, these tools are very handy other wise they are nothing.
Thirdly few areas of piping you should know,
q Piping layout & design engineering â A guy specialized in this area is called
âPiping Design Engineerâ or âPiping designerâ. If you wish to be in this field,
you need to be good at International codes, layout capability with a vision for
daily operation, maintenance methods, erection, dismantling methods etc. This
field need more common sense than hi-fi engineering skills. This field also
include, Pre-bid engineering (Proposal engineering), Conceptual engineering,
Basic engineering and Detail engineering (Donât ask me what are these. You will
know them in due time)
q Piping stress analysis â A guy specialized in this area is called âPiping
stress Engineerâ or âPiping flexibility engineerâ. If you wish to be in this
field, you need to be good at stress analysis skills using software line
CAEPIPE, CAESER, AUTOPIPE etc
q Piping material & specifications engineering â A guy specialized in this area
is called âPiping Material engineerâ or âPiping Spec. Engineerâ. If you wish to
be in this field, you need to be good at materials & their properties, thorough
knowledge of international codes (ASME/API/ASTM to name few), good knowledge of
corrosion engineering & very good knowledge about proper use of valves & pipe
fittings.
q Piping fabrication, erection & quality control engineering â A guy specialized
in this area is called âPiping site engineerâ or âPiping field engineerâ. If you
wish to be in this field, you need to be good at quality control skills (NDT/NDE
inspections), work scheduling & progress monitoring skills, dealing with
erection contractor on daily basis etc.
Donât think that the above four fields are independent. They are interdependent. Even if you are in one of the above field, you need to know all the four fields very well to function as a good engineer. Thatâs why donât make up your mind now itself for any one of the above fields.
Start with Layout & design, learn codes & materials, understand nature corrosion & erosion, learn basics pipe stress analysis & when you get an opportunity visit the plant site or a piping construction site.
When you join your new company, I am sure that your piping boss tells to study one or more books/codes I mentioned above. You can impress him, If you say âI already know thatââ¦LOL
Finally, donât dishearten by these guys mails. I already send a small heatwave
for that..
Remember one thing: âAlways do your homework before asking any technical
questionâ
Best of luck in your first job..Where is my 100$..LOL
Umesh Ken.,Senior Piping Specification Engineer, Alcan Engineering Pty. Ltd., Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Favorite saying:
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter"?
........... Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Mike Roble wrote:
> I agree. I, too, am new to the field, and when I see questions like
> that,
> lame or not, greeted like that, if makes me paranoid to ask any
> questions of
> my own. I've learned in my 11 years of working WITH pipers and 1 year
> working AS a piper, that this line of work is all a matter of "getting
> experience". "Piping" is not taught at schools, there's no courses,
> nothing.
> the only way to learn is by observing and/or asking questions and lots
> of
> them.
Useful point--how do you learn if you don't ask questions?
The answer is that you don't, but you have to learn not to be a pain in
the ass, or you'll get answers that are incomplete, or deliberately
wrong or meaningless. Or you'll get brushed off or thrown out of the
office. Asking questions takes a certain amount of native intelligence,
communications skills some consideration and the ability to convince
someone that you're serious about the answer. You also need to have an
inner filter to tell you if you've truly learned what you need to know.
In short you need to learn how to ask questions the smart way
<http://www.catb. org/~esr/ faqs/smart- questions. html>
The original poster ignored all the foregoing and came across as totally clueless. That's why he got brushed off. People on this list work for a living and they don't have the time to try to figure out what someone actually needs to know when they ask open-ended questions. There's no way to figure out what he knew or whether he'd taken the first step toward finding out, so trying to pose a real answer is damn near impossible.
I've been mentoring people since before most of the people on this list were toilet-trained, and I know what I'm talking about. In that time I've started to lose a little patience when someone half my age with half my experience gives me patronizing lectures about how to answer questions. Life sometimes gets rough around the edges--get used to it.
Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at chrisw@skypoint. com | this distance" (last words of Gen. ____________ ________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864) http://www.skypoint .com/~chrisw
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