RE: Quick Question

From: <Otto>
Date: Sun Oct 10 1999 - 13:02:00 EDT

To all,

Please see my embedded comments below.

		 -----Original Message-----
		 From: Mike & Lorna O'Donnell [mailto:ljminc@netzero.net]
		 Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 11:02 PM
		 To: <a href="/group/PipingDesign/post?postID=hCL8_Lrz-1uMOo4XamwNQDLPImxSRvHnPlcIlvnKKWhDyD5YJqc6qScBAcBUEq91Bp1H3m9tZXwJu5oU0uLgSh8">PipingDesign@onelist.com</a>
		 Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Quick Question

		 From: "Mike & Lorna O'Donnell" <ljminc@netzero.net>

		 I have been using the Rebis packages since the days of EDA
(Otto will know
		 what I'm talking about).  Some people might think otherwise
but I personally
		 think that these are the best packages for versatility.


		 ----- Original Message -----
		 From: Paul Bowers <pbowers@PipingDesign.com>
		 To: <PipingDesign@onelist.com>
		 Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:10 PM
		 Subject: Re: [PipingDesign] Quick Question




		 > From: Paul Bowers <pbowers@PipingDesign.com>

		 >

		 > Thank you for posting that, Otto.

		 >

		 > One question I haven't yet asked on this list is, "Which

piping


		 > software are you using, and how well does it work?". Some

of you are


		 > involved in mega-dollar marine and petroleum/chemical

engineering


		 > projects and likely use the more expensive

hardware-specific software.


		 >

		 > The vast majority of subscribers to this list have at

least 15 years


		 > of experience in piping design (based on those that have

indicated


		 > their age on the inquiry form at Onelist) and from that I

presume they


		 > also have "board experience", IE, familiarity with how

piping design


		 > work progressed before CAD.

		 >

		 > Let's look at the CAD piping software available

today...there's the


		 > "total-experience-but-expensive-and-centralized" one gets

with PDS or


		 > PDMS and there's the

"affordable-sometimes-buggy-but-customizable"


		 > option of Rebis, Cadpipe and others. Which is the best

approach? Does
* "largest installed base" really count? First of all the "total-experience-but-expensive-and- centralized" software one gets with PDS is very quickly dissolving (Please see the Integraph messages boards), I believe there is a lot of truth in those boards. There are very strong rumors that PDS will be spun off, since Integraph has lost in excess of $400 million dollars (Check their message boards for confirmation). Typically, when divisions spin-off, the integration becomes a back-burner issue, because they are trying to make it as a company. * Did you know that the largest project in the world today is being done with Rebis software (This is a $13.3 billion dollar project in Asia). Did you know that there is a total of over $4 billion dollars worht of work going on in Canada with Rebis. And the list goes on!! Rebis is used by one man companies to mulit-billion dollar companies. It is affordable and modularized so a client can buy what they need when they need it. Do you really beieve that the expensive systems are "BUG-FREE"??? * With the big systems, there is a cost of about $100K to get going on a project, (Software; training; consulting; project start-up assistance; etc...). With a Rebis solution, it is scalable and the costs are a fraction of this.

>
> Based on the AutoCAD business model,"largest installed
base" *does*

> work in the long run, since it results in more user
interaction and as

> a result, more user-originated solutions to software
problems. On the

> other hand, some designers prefer the "total package" as
offered by

> the big-buck vendors. There is a saying that there is
"Safety in numbers". The largest installed base does work in the long run because the larger the installed base, the larger the capability that the company must address and the harder to replace legacy data. For example, Rebis has Plant Design clients in the traditional Chemical/Petrochemical & Refining fields, but did you also know that they have solutions & clients for the Waste Water; Biotech; Marine & shipbuilding; Food; and Pharmaceutical industries as well others. Did you also know that Rebis also offers some things that the "Big Buck vendors do not such as: victaulic catalogue components; Swagelok catalogue components; etc...

>
> The intent of starting this email list and website has
always been to

> get back to the basics of piping design and to apply that
same

> critical thinking to the concept of piping software
development (I

> don't think we're going back to the board, eh?). I think
the days of the board are DEAD. If not, the companies still using the boards wil be totally retired very soon, if not already.

>
> Paul
>
> Otto Weiberth wrote:
>
> > Delain,
> >
> > Check out rebis.com <rebis.com> for a totally
integrated I&E design

		 tool


		 > > that's used worldwide and is the largest installed base

out there.


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